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Old 07-12-2011, 08:18 AM   #594
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And laver has 11 slams and that is it. He didn't play some of slam events during his time so we cannot argue the "if" and "but". --did not happen!
Nobody argues Laver should not have won more slams, however the argument for the millionth time is that in the 1960s the pro majors hold more weight than the amateur slams. This appears to be a difficult concept for some people to wrap their skull around, but times change. Laver only won 11 slams but if you count his pro majors it was a lot more. I think it is clear we can say the pro field was the better of the two because when it went to open era and the amateurs and pros were thrown together who dominated? Roy Emerson couldn't even beat late 30s Pancho on his worst surface (clay) and Emerson had won 2 of those amateur French Opens. He never made another semi or final. He chose not to go pro and fell far behind his peers. Same happened for most of the big ameatur guys in the mid 60s that didn't go pro, when open era came around they were no longer top players and more of the middle tier. The only ones who could really compete at the top level was Newk.

So yes it is unfair to say Laver would have dominated the majors had he played them in the 60s, but it is safe to say that most of the 'slams' as you call them that were won in the 60s were not as impressive. Which is why most consider Laver's best two seasons to be 69 and 67 and 62 is kind of iffy. 62 was a great accomplishment but 69 was much more impressive as the level of talent Laver disposed of was ridiculous. He didn't play some of the slam events because he wanted to make money off playing tennis. Lets be real if all the majors nowadays gave out no prize money at all and told players if they were sponsored they could not show up and play them, I could imagine things being pretty different. The players wanted to make money and be the focus and in the spotlight. The pro tour in the 60s gave them that opportunity.

Again judge on the times and realize yea he has only 11 'slams' but numerous pro majors and dominated the pro tour for most of the mid to late 60s. As well as then being the dominating force when the open era came to be.
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