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Old 05-06-2012, 11:11 AM   #808
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Originally Posted by Mustard View Post
Vines didn't play any pro majors in 1937 and 1938. He just focused on winning the pro tours instead. He entered the French Pro just twice, winning it in 1935 and runner-up in 1939. He entered the Wembley Pro 4 times, winning 3 of them in a row (1934-1936), and he only entered the US Pro twice, winning it in 1939 and losing a semi final to Nusslein in 1934. So, Vines competed in 8 professional majors and won 5 of them, and 2 of the 3 that he didn't win were in 1939.

I think I have Vines ahead of Budge for the 1930s, because Budge came to prominence in the late 1930s, whereas Vines had the whole decade. The war years would have been Budge's peak, in my opinion. By the time the war was over, Budge was slightly past his prime and Riggs was the best in the world before Kramer turned professional in late 1947.

Of course, the real reason for Budge being put ahead of Vines in the 1930s on many people's list is his CYGS in 1938. They don't delve any deeper. Even Budge confirming in 1939 that he was the best player in the world by becoming the best professional, is unlikely to have registered on their radar. Budge is considered the best player in the world in 1938 because of the CYGS, but was he really better than Vines and Nusslein that year? Perry, and even Tilden, were still forces to be reckoned with in 1938 as well.
And you have to considered that they first tour was very close between Budge and Vines. It's possible that Vines may have played the first tour injured, at least for part of it. We know that Vines was hurt and was serving underhanded in some of the matches. I'm not sure if it was in the first tour or the second or both.

Vines defeated Tilden and Perry on tour fairly easily.
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