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Old 05-12-2012, 12:11 PM   #877
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Originally Posted by kiki View Post
Kodes was never nš 1, even if he did beat nš 1 players like GOAT Laver, almost Goatīs Rosewall and also Newcombe, big champs like Nasty,Ashe,Smith.He also beat a young Bjorn Borg, and also a great of the 70īs called Orantes.I never claimed him to be nš1.

Vines had a more dominant year, true, in 1932.He may have been more talented, as well.But career wise I still think they are very close, of course, if we leave the marketing issues aside...

(Vines may have won the then called Pro majors but Kodes faced like 3 times the level of competition Vines faced so that counterbalances the former)
he didn't .....and the actual majors that Kodes won, he faced poor competition. If he actually faced the full fields , he may have ended up with ZERO , yes , ZERO majors ....

for example, he lost to laver in rome 71 ...hence lucky he didn't face him or rosewall in 70 FO or 71 FO .....

smith/newcombe were definitely better than him on grass and one or the other would have beaten him in 73 wimbledon....

oh and get this Kodes was owned by almost every great player you mention - laver, rosewall ( both past their best ) , connors, borg, newcombe, nastase .... only one he has a respectable H2H is smith ....

how is a career of 3 amateur majors + 5 pro majors with being top player for several years (Vines ) anywhere close to a career of 3 weakened majors and even close to top player for a single year ( Kodes ) ?
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