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Old 06-21-2012, 07:07 AM   #13
Ramon
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Originally Posted by hollywood9826 View Post
Cant trust timeform for north american horses.

Just look at the times and records Secretariat still has.

Its been close to 40 years and no horse has ran a faster mile and a half on any dirt trck anywehre.

Still holds the 1 1/4 mile record at Churchill downs for any race. Also owns the preakness record. Thats 40 years and he still owns all the records for the biggest horse races in the US.

Im sure Frankel and Sea Bird II are fine horses. But Timeform has just recently started doing anything with North America.


Just that Belmont alone

Year Horse 1/4 M. 1/2 M. 3/4 M. Mile 1 1/4 M. 1 1/2 M

1973 Secretariat :23 3/5 :46 1/5 1:09 1/5 1:34 1/5 1:59 2:24*
1989 Easy Goer :23 1/5 :47 1:11 1/5 1:35 4/5 2:00 4/5 2:26
2001 Point Given :23 4/5 :48 1:11 3/5 1:35 2/5 2:00 3/5 2:26 2/5
1992 A.P. Indy :23 1/5 :47 1:11 4/5 1:36 1/5 2:01 1/5 2:26 2/5
1988 Risen Star :23 2/5 :47 1/5 1:11 4/5 1:36 2/5 2:01 3/5 2:26 2/5
1978 Affirmed :25 :50 1:14 1:37 2/5 2:01 3/5 2:26 4/5

Fastest first quarter- 0:23 by Another Review in 1991
(Hansel won)
Fastest first mile- 1:34 1/5 by Secretariat in 1973
(Secretariat won)
Fastest first half-mile- 0:46 1/5 by Secretariat in 1973
(Secretariat won)
Fastest first 1 1/4 mile- 1:59 by Secretariat in 1973
(Secretariat won)
Fastest first 3/4's- 1:09 4/5 by Secretariat in 1973
(Secretariat won)

*Secretariat's time of 2:24 is a world record for the mile-and-a-half distance on a dirt track.
If you assume a length for every 1/5 sec, Secretariat would have beaten the 2nd best Belmont winner, Easy Goer, by 10 lengths, and he wasn't even challenged to push himself.

I know he had a few bad races, and there were other horses with better win-loss records over a number of years, like Zenyatta, but the Triple Crown for 3 year olds are the races with the most prestige and the ones that really count. Horse racing isn't like human sports. Once they've proven themselves, the best-of-the-best are put to stud, so that window of opportunity is what counts.

Turf is faster than dirt, so that's why the dirt track specification is significant. Secretariat also proved himself on dirt by winning the Man O'War stakes after the Triple Crown and was even named American Champion Male Turf Horse that year. Penny took a big chance by running him after the Triple Crown. Kudos to Penny for continuing to show us such a magnificient horse for as long as she could under the rules of the syndicate.
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