Originally Posted by The_Order
Tsonga, Murray, Berdych, Del Potro? These guys are all around their age and capable of beating them. In fact, all 4 of them have beaten either Rafa or Novak in a major before.
With Fed he had Hewitt, Ferrero, Roddick, old Agassi, Safin, Davydenko, Blake, Gonzalez, out of those Safin was the only one who proved he could get the job done in a major...
So its quite obvious Fed's competition wasn't as strong it's just the Fed fan in you that cannot admit it.
Circular reasoning. Djoko and Nadal are better because they lost more??
Regarding Fed, you left out Nalby who did beat him more than once in majors before he got going. Before Fed took off at the end of 2003 he had losses in tournament play to Agassi, Ferrero, Safin, Hewitt and Roddick and Nalby was his nemesis.
In fact after Fed won 2003 Wimby he lost later that year to Nalby twice, Ferrero, Roddick and Hewitt.
He came into 2003 TMC on the back of all those losses, not to mention that he'd never beaten Agassi in his career. He turned everything around at that event.
Nadal and Djokovic took much much longer to establish dominance (outside of Nadal on clay) while once Fed broke through he was off to the races.
That's why they have more pre-peak GS losses against other good players than him.
That doesn't make them better.