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Old 10-11-2012, 01:50 AM   #61
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Originally Posted by 5263 View Post
Very nice find here, thanks for the ref.
Nice Pic here of what we call stalking-
Especially the 1st one.

Stan does a good job of course, but few things to notice,
I'm not a grip zealot, but is it a sw grip? Many say Eastern.
Someone got the pics out of sequence right? for a reason?

Where he says "Federer is turning his shoulders as he’s moving to the ball.
Notice how his left hand is on the racquet even though he’s well into his preparation.
This forces him to turn his shoulders"
This is not just exactly right.
The shoulders have NOT really turned from the body, or done much prep by coiling.
At that point he is really still just running to intercept the ball with everything pointing
the way he is running except his face as it watches the ball come in. His feet, hips,
shoulders are all facing the direction he is running, with the racket still in both hands,
in front of his chest/body/shoulders,(I call stalking) very much like in the ready position.
It's a instant later where he gets some shoulder turn to load and coil his core
for the shot.
I Think the pictures are out of sequence because tennis magazine has changed their website, and it is an older article. I don't know I'm not a computer expert.

The only reason I posted the Stan Smith article is because he discusses Federer's modern takeback vs more old school players. I'm really not interested in getting into another MTM debate. All I will say on that matter, is if someone told me to stalk the ball, I would have no idea how they wanted me to prepare, coil, turn etc. In my view it's best to describe what is going on with more concrete language. MTM has as much connection to "modern tennis" as "Scientology" does to science.

There's really no point in these forums if someone can't discuss something simple like preparation, coiling, unit turn, takeback whatever you want to call it, without the MTM police showing up. Ok it's not preparation. It can only be called stalking, whatever that means.

"Modern" players generally take the racket head back higher than players in previous eras. That's what creates the loop backswing. It's something that's readily apparent if you watch much tennis or play at all. Good players in all eras prepare early. It's blatantly obvious if you watch or play tennis. I thought issues like these were germane to the original topic of the thread.I guess I'm not allowed to talk about any of this in a concrete fashion. I can't talk about preparation on groundstrokes. No preparation happens, only stalking. It's impossible to have a productive discussion in here about even the most basic aspects of the game.

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