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Old 11-17-2012, 03:41 PM   #45
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Oh, but we know.

Countless efforts to win at the WTF or Cincy say a lot.
I should point out that even Djokovic hasn't won Cincinnati. It seems to be his bogey tournament, at least up to the present day.

Nadal may not have won Cincinnati or the World Tour Finals, but he did win Dubai in 2006 on a fast hardcourt, beating Federer in the final. It was a classic case of Nadal hanging in there under an onslaught and eventually counter-punching Federer for the victory.

But besides, Cincinnati and the World Tour Finals are not Wimbledon on the old 70% Rye grass.

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You have not elaborated. You clearly stated, that racket and string technology are responsible for the slowing of the courts, but did not explain how this exactly happens.
I have. Today's game has power, spin, depth and authority in the rallies that are unprecedented in the history of tennis. This compels players to stay at the baseline more often than not.

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My own experience says, that different courts play in a differrent way with exactly the same racket and string setup.The differences for me as an amateur can be felt very clearly! I can only imagine what it means for the Pros.
I'm sorry, but when have I denied that different courts play differently? I'm just saying that over the years, by far the biggest factor in the modern playing style and conditions (i.e. the way the game is played today), is the technology, much more so than surface speed (I'm talking here of speed independently from racquet technology).

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So, the question is, if what you say is true, and everything is dependant on the racket and string setup, how is that possible?
Do I really need to say it again? Okay, I'll say it again, today's game has power, spin, depth and authority in the rallies that are unprecedented in the history of tennis. This compels players to stay at the baseline more often than not. This, combined with the fazing out of carpet courts, are the biggest reasons why there are not many "surface specialists" these days, and why serve and volley is close to extinction on the tour, and why baseline play predominates on all current surfaces on tour.

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How is it possible, that Pros like Federer and Nadal are having different results, depending on the speed and the bounce of the surface, if the racket and string setup is so decisive, and the differences between the surfaces are "negligible" as you put it?

That is, what you should elaborate on.
I think you've totally missed the points I was making. You seem to be under the impression that I think that all surfaces are exactly the same and aren't different in any way. That was never what I meant, and such a suggestion would be absurd in the extreme.

My main point is, court conditions are different everywhere, but the biggest difference from the conditions of past eras to today's conditions, is the racquet technology and the fazing out of carpet courts on the tour.

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