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Old 11-18-2012, 05:43 PM   #609
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Originally Posted by Dan Lobb View Post
Yes, he was good on clay. But the fields in the fifties were too tough on clay for him and Kramer to win the big one at RG.
Just think. Drobny, Patty, Segura, Trabert (from 1953), Rosewall (from 1953), Hoad (from 1953, when he beat Rosewall and Bromwich at the Australian Hardcourt), Pietrangeli, all winning at RG, except Segura, who beat Gonzales on clay in the 1952 Cleveland final in five sets.
Gonzales and Kramer did not play enough on clay to compete. Gonzales lost a hth series on clay in South America against Trabert in 1956.
These are the cold, hard realities.
Dan, your arguments are too cold and too hard for me.

I never heard that the 1952 Cleveland final was played on clay.

It is reported that Gonzalez won a claycourt tour over Segura.

You mix oranges with cold herrings. Pietrangeli was great at the end of the 1950s, not at the begin.

After all the lessons you have got in this forum, you should finally accept that the pros were stronger than the amateurs, even on clay! Look at Ayala in 1961. He was one of the strongest amateurs that year but lost to 40 years old Segura at his pro debut.
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