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Old 11-20-2012, 06:58 PM   #144
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2012 2nd Serve Return Points Won
Points Won Total Points % Matches
1. Andy Murray 1374 2450 56 72
2. Novak Djokovic 1515 2718 56 87
3. Rafael Nadal 756 1378 55 48
4. David Ferrer 1390 2555 54 91
5. Mikhail Youzhny 875 1635 54 54

Career 2nd Serve Return Points Won
Points Won Total Points % Matches
1. Alberto Berasategui 7687 13658 56 477
2. Andre Agassi 16704 29909 56 899
3. Patrick McEnroe 4681 8449 55 251
4. Rafael Nadal 11512 20799 55 705
5. Thomas Muster 11092 20083 55 625
6. Michael Chang 14990 27181 55 810
7. Andy Murray 8561 15542 55 502
8. Carlos Costa 7369 13387 55 431
9. Byron Black 8293 15069 55 501
10. David Nalbandian 9831 17994 55 564


2012 1st Serve Return Points Won
Points Won Total Points % Matches
1. Rafael Nadal 870 2299 38 48
2. Novak Djokovic 1500 4238 35 87
3. Gilles Simon 1105 3238 34 68
4. Juan Monaco 893 2624 34 58
5. David Ferrer 1347 3974 34 91
6. Flavio Cipolla 563 1663 34 40
7. Carlos Berlocq 824 2449 34 56
8. Kei Nishikori 825 2485 33 55
9. Benoit Paire 893 2739 33 52
10. Marin Cilic 900 2774 32 58
11. Andy Murray 1212 3770 32 72
12. Marcel Granollers 705 2218 32 46
13. Richard Gasquet 915 2885 32 64
14. Fabio Fognini 693 2190 32 46
15. Radek Stepanek 667 2130 31 50
16. Stanislas Wawrinka 863 2762 31 55
17. Guillermo Garcia-Lopez 645 2080 31 45
18. Roger Federer 1259 4063 31 83
19. Fernando Verdasco 790 2556 31 54
20. Mikhail Youzhny 822 2667 31 54

Career 1st Serve Return Points Won
Points Won Total Points % Matches
1. Guillermo Coria 5374 14921 36 332
2. Magnus Gustafsson 8363 24423 34 539
3. Jordi Arrese 3825 11279 34 246
4. Rafael Nadal 10935 32249 34 705
5. Filippo Volandri 4858 14413 34 365
6. Slava Dosedel 5953 17685 34 383
7. Andy Murray 8130 24153 34 502
8. David Ferrer 10939 32517 34 734
9. Tomas Carbonell 4843 14410 34 314
10. Alberto Berasategui 7435 22185 34 477
11. Nikolay Davydenko 11284 33774 33 751
12. Juan Ignacio Chela 9253 27729 33 603
13. Karol Kucera 7495 22540 33 537
14. Novak Djokovic 8954 26943 33 592
15. Stefan Edberg 7449 22544 33 492
16. Juan Monaco 6553 19833 33 448
17. Guillermo Canas 6914 20930 33 447
18. Gilbert Schaller 3483 10576 33 245
19. Andrei Chesnokov 4614 14030 33 341
20. Brad Gilbert 3474 10641 33 229
21. Roger Federer 16757 51357 33 1076
thanks for numbers cheetah,

5263,
the ranking difference for these stats exaggerate the actual diff. look at %.

2012 2nd serve rtn. the best of 2h 56% vs best of 1h 54%. difference is 2%. out of 100 2nd serves, returning 56 of them vs 54 of them. this difference is smaller than the ranking on this list suggests.

2012 1st S rtn. dj 35% vs berlocq 34%; murray 32% vs gasquet 32%. again 1h stack up pretty well against your best ever in history returners.

based on these numbers you would discourage a junior developing 1h. i wouldn't. also i believe we might be seeing the best 2hbh now but the best 1hbh is yet to come. once the point starts, 1h can offer advantages over 2h if the playing style is well matched with technique.

i concede there is slight advantage for return but overall i believe it could be overcome with the style and gamesmanship. and that adv may not be as significant as it looks from these stats.
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