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Old 11-24-2012, 07:27 AM   #41
krosero
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Originally Posted by Nadal_Power View Post
O.k, my stats for this match. Service winners are all points that server won just with one shot, so aces or unreturned services. Its hard to split forced and unforced errors in match with such a quick and short points, but I give my best.

I set :

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Arthur Ashe                                        Jimmy Connors

27/39       Total points won                       12/39 
16/11/5     Services (total/first/second)          23/16/7
9/11        Points won on first serve              5/16
3/5         Points won on second serve             3/7
15/23       Return points won                      4/16
17/23       Returned services                      13/16
7/10        Wing of serve return (fh/bh)           9/4
7           Winners                                4
3           Service winners                        5
2           Unforced Errors                        11                    
/           Double faults                          1 
3/3         Break points                           /    
1           Service games without lost point       /
18          Rallies 1-4 (28)                       10
9           Rallies 5-8 (11)                       2 
            Rallies 9-12 (/)                       
                       
Average number of shots in points in first set : 3,58 
Average number of shots in points in first set on Ashe's serve   : 3,37 
Average number of shots in points in first set on Connor's serve : 3,73
II set :

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Arthur Ashe                                        Jimmy Connors

30/48       Total points won                       18/48
28/20/8     Services (total/first/second)          20/11/9
14/20       Points won on first serve              5/11
5/8         Points won on second serve             4/9
11/20       Return points won                      9/28
18/20       Returned services                      18/28
11/7        Wing of serve return (fh/bh)           10/8
8           Winners                                8
9           Service winners                        2
6           Unforced Errors                        7                    
1           Double faults                          / 
2/4         Break points                           0/1    
/           Service games without lost point       /
20          Rallies 1-4 (32)                       12
8           Rallies 5-8 (12)                       4 
2           Rallies 9-12 (4)                       2
                       
Average number of shots in points in second set : 4 
Average number of shots in points in second set on Ashe's serve    : 3 
Average number of shots in points in second set on Connors's serve : 5,4
III set :

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Arthur Ashe                                        Jimmy Connors

44/88       Total points won                       44/88
35/26/9     Services (total/first/second)          53/41/12
17/26       Points won on first serve              22/41
4/9         Points won on second serve             8/12
23/53       Return points won                      14/35
42/53       Returned services                      22/35
17/25       Wing of serve return (fh/bh)           10/12
9           Winners                                21
12          Service winners                        10
10          Unforced Errors                        14                    
1           Double faults                          1 
1/9         Break points                           2/2    
/           Service games without lost point       /
31          Rallies 1-4 (62)                       31
12          Rallies 5-8 (25)                       13 
/           Rallies 9-12 (/)                       /
1           Rallies 13+ (1)                        /
                       
Average number of shots in points in third set : 3,54
Average number of shots in points in third set on Ashe's serve    : 2,85 
Average number of shots in points in third set on Connors's serve : 4
IV set :

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Arthur Ashe                                        Jimmy Connors

34/61       Total points won                       27/61
26/20/6     Services (total/first/second)          35/30/5
14/20       Points won on first serve              15/30
3/6         Points won on second serve             3/5
17/35       Return points won                      9/26
24/35       Returned services                      16/26
5/19        Wing of serve return (fh/bh)           9/7
9           Winners                                10
10          Service winners                        10
3           Unforced Errors                        6                   
/           Double faults                          1
2/5         Break points                           1/1 
/           Service games without lost point       /
26          Rallies 1-4 (49)                       23
8           Rallies 5-8 (12)                       4
/           Rallies 9-12 (/)                       /
                                             
Average number of shots in points in fourth set : 3,26
Average number of shots in points in fourth set on Ashe's serve  : 2,92 
Average number of shots in points in fourth set on Connors's serve  : 3,51
Match stats :

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Arthur Ashe                                        Jimmy Connors

135/236     Total points won                       101/236
105/77/28   Services (total/first/second)          131/98/33
54/77       Points won on first serve              47/98
15/28       Points won on second serve             18/33
66/131      Return points won                      36/105
101/131     Returned services                      69/105
40/61       Wing of serve return (fh/bh)           38/31
33          Winners                                43
34          Service winners                        27
21          Unforced Errors                        38                  
2           Double faults                          3
8/21        Break points                           3/4
1           Service games without lost point       /
95          Rallies 1-4 (171)                      76 
37          Rallies 5-8 (60)                       23
2           Rallies 9-12 (4)                       2
1           Rallies +13 (1)                        /  
                                             
Average number of shots in points in match : 3,58 
Average number of shots in points in match on Ashe's serve  : 3 
Average number of shots in points in match on Connors's serve  : 4
Well this is an incredible level of detail, and very interesting. I'll have a closer look at everything, but a few things stand out.

Connors, again, had lower success on first serve (48%) than on second (55%). We see that in a lot of his matches. It was true also when he lost to Newk in Australia.

These stats were simply not available at the time, and I wonder what, if anything, Connors would have done if he or someone in his circle had realized that he had matches like this, in which his first serve was not working for him the way it should.

On this board we see such numbers and we don't necessarily know the reason that someone's numbers might turn out this way, but I'm sure that experts and analysts of the time would have had some ideas about it.

Ashe's numbers look solid: 70% on first serve and 54% on second.

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