That is in one of YULitle's videos it is called a Bulky (starting) Knot http://youtu.be/UT1cXy-6Wz0
but may not work if it is a tie off the OP is talking about. And by the same token the VS starting knot tied with a loop would not work well as a starting knot.
Everyone has the right to be stupid... it's just that some people abuse the privilege...
Balance - 31.0 cm, Weight - 358 g, SW - 346 Kgcm^2
Last edited by Irvin : 11-26-2012 at 03:39 PM.