That is in one of YULitle's videos it is called a Bulky (starting) Knot http://youtu.be/UT1cXy-6Wz0
but may not work if it is a tie off the OP is talking about. And by the same token the VS starting knot tied with a loop would not work well as a starting knot.
When you're dead you don't know you're dead. It's the same way when you're stupid.
Last edited by Irvin : 11-26-2012 at 02:39 PM.