That is in one of YULitle's videos it is called a Bulky (starting) Knot http://youtu.be/UT1cXy-6Wz0
but may not work if it is a tie off the OP is talking about. And by the same token the VS starting knot tied with a loop would not work well as a starting knot.
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Last edited by Irvin : 11-26-2012 at 03:39 PM.