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Old 01-03-2013, 09:34 AM   #409
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johansson wasn't a fluke

he had the big serve and massive ground strokes, and reached later stages of grand slams more than once

injuries prevented him from achieving more (and forced him out early)
pretty sure, zagor mentioned in comparison to the far more talented and better players like nalby, rios, mecir, tsonga etc ...

if safin had his head on in that final, he'd have won it ....

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anyway, federer is a solid clay court player

however, his continued failure to defeat nadal is a massive black mark on his resume. no top player in history (off the top of my head) has such a horrible record against their main rival, especially in major finals

but, talking purely about federer's clay court game -

he never liked it up high on the backhand side. mantilla schooled him in 03(?), accauso nearly ended him in 09, so did haas

federer has the one RG, and he was bloody lucky to win that one. however, you take your opportunities when they arise

it has helped federer than clay plays far faster than it used to. the reverse is true of grass and hard courts of course

the year federer won (09), it was exceptionally fast, helping federer, who has become more and more reliant on his serve as the years have gone by
actually the courts were faster than usual in 09, but not exceptionally faster ....that actually had him in trouble vs the power-hitting of delpo in the semis


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would federer win the FO in the 90s? late 90s, possibly. early 90s, doubt it. 70s or 80s, no chance
yeah, he has no chance in the 80s with chang, noah winning there ,he couldn't overpower wilander or beat lendl even once there

no chance in the 70s either with kodes/panatta winning there ( borg reached a higher level on clay from 77 onwards, but 74,75,76, while darn good, could still be beaten )


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anyway, federer is certainly not in the top 5 players on clay in the open era. (he is when it comes to grass and hard court)

top 15-20, yes. top 10, doubtful
he is #1 or #2 on grass
he is #1 on HC

on clay, I'd say he's definitely outside of the top 5 (nadal,borg,kuerten, lendl,wilander ) ....... but after that not much of a difference b/w the rest - bruguera, courier, fed, muster, vilas, nastase ....
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