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Old 01-21-2013, 08:56 AM   #760
Dan Lobb
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Originally Posted by BobbyOne View Post
Dan, please stop your ignorance. Don't we want to discuss on a high level?

I never said that Roche is ahead of Hoad in their achievements or their playing strength.

It's doubtful if Hoad's summit moments are the best ever.

Every serious expert does consider a player's top placings apart from his wins (finals reached, SFs reached). It's a huge difference if a player loses in the first round of Wimbledon or if he reaches the tournament's final.Thus you must make great efforts yet to be ranked as a serious expert...
Hoad's "summit" moments (best ever):

1) Davis Cup 1953 df. Seixas and Trabert at Kooyong

2) Davis Cup 1955 df. Trabert and Seixas at Forest Hills

These two Davis Cup ties literally put tennis into the forefront of sports in the fifties, the first mass television audience for the game. (10 million, first sports broadcast by NBC in color.)

3) 1956 Wimbledon df. Rosewall
Hoad became the first player since WWII to follow his first slam win by a second and third. (Only Budge did this also.)

4) 1957 Wimbledon df. Cooper
The Queen broke her longstanding antipathy to Wimbledon to witness this event.

5) 1958 world tournament championship, 5 tournaments, Hoad won on points and money, including wins against Gonzales at Kooyong, Forest Hills, and Roland Garros.
Players include Hoad, Gonzales, Rosewall, Sedgman, Segura, Trabert.

6) 1959 world tournament championship, 14 tournaments, Hoad won 6 tournaments to Gonzales' 4, top points and money, including a 6 to 2 record against Rosewall (including wins at Kooyong, Forest Hills, and Roland Garros).
Players include Hoad, Gonzales, Rosewall, Sedgman, Trabert, Anderson, Segura, Cooper, Giammalva, Hartwig, Rose, McGregor. The strongest field ever assembled.

7) 1961 Kramer Cup (pro Davis Cup) df. Trabert in decider.
Hoad's last display of top form. Trabert had beaten Rosewall.
Also, the 1962 Kramer Cup df. Olmedo in a display of hot form.

9) 1963 Hoad/Laver tour
Whitewashes Laver, including Kooyong televised match at 6-3 in fifth set.
Laver defeats Rosewall in 4 sets next day at Kooyong.

I do not see a comparable set of summit accomplishments for other players, partly because the equivalent opposition for other great players was weaker.

Last edited by Dan Lobb; 01-21-2013 at 05:21 PM.
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