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Old 02-01-2013, 12:39 AM   #234
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1. Your point out what a terrible record Wade has against Evert overall only helps prove what I am saying. The fact Wade at age 33 in 1977 posted 3 wins and a win at Wimbledon over Evert, a player she is a woeful 6-40 against overall, only proves being 33 is not the huge insurmountable handicapt and disadvantage it is made out to be, especialy back in the days of the far less physical game of tennis where numerous players dominated and won major titles well into their 30s. It alone does not explain away her incredibly lopsided dominance at the hands of Graf from 86-89, other than it was once against a display that for her amazing consistency and longevity in the sport, her sheer level did not stack up with some others at their best, even more demonstrated by Navratilova and her 13 match win streak vs a more prime Evert.

2. According to you older players like Evert when she was being owned by Graf still have vintage days, and the biggest difference between them then and what they used to be is consistency. This I agree with, it is the same thing with Federer today. The difference though is Evert in that phase of her career never beat Graf (and in fact never beat Graf on a day she was holding a single WTA tour title), unlike Federer and Navratilova who in old age came up with big wins in their vintage days, so obviously even Evert's "turn the clock back" or "vintage" days which in almost 4 years of matches vs Graf had to come atleast once or twice still had her always losing and being easily dismantled by Graf, as the results vs Graf never changed.

Do remember Navratilova at ages 34-36 posted 2 wins over Graf and 4 wins over Seles when Seles was at her all time peak and dominating the womens game, so Evert and her absolute ownage at the hands of 16 year or older Graf aged 31-34 is not so easily explained just by "oh she was old".
Wow almost 4 years of matches sounds very impressive. Evert met Graf 7 times in 3 years from 87-89. That's twice each year + a spare or 7 meetings in over 1000 days. Throw the dice 7 times in a 1000 tries you are bound to get snake eyes in one of those 7. I assume you've actually seen these matches you are passing judgement on. So which one was Evert in her top peak form?

Age does not explain it all. It was a primary factor. Evert was going down, Graf was going up. Chris did most things younger than Martina,including decline and the problems age presented in their games were different as their styles of play were different. Precociousness in barely pubescent baseliners is not that much of a shock Evert, Austin, Jaeger, Graf, Hingis. Old lady victories among women serve/ volleyers is also no shock Martina, Wade, King, and Court.

Graf's dominance over Evert is explained by both age and match-up. The moment Graf began to reach her adult power and speed, Evert was in big trouble. Graf was a tactical horror story to all baseliners with games like Evert. Evert ran out of time before she could figure out a solution and develop the game plan to implement it. Things were becoming more competitive as 88' moved into '89 from the wipeouts of 87. ,Graf always would have won most of the matches on most surfaces but had Evert had a year or two more, she would have solved some of the puzzle, and gotten a few isolated victories on slower surfaces and made things interesting. Its not going to happen to a baseliner at age 34, when her opponent is a stronger and faster baseliner/winner of the grand slam.

PS the best quality from both was 1988 Lipton/Key Biscayne, FL F L 6-4, 6-4. Graf wasn't as mentally erratic as she was in Australia and Boca. She had a champion's confidence that forehand would go in on the biggest points in both sets.

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