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Old 02-21-2013, 08:09 AM   #51
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Originally Posted by fed_rulz View Post
if by "tough" you mean later rounds, you might want to reconsider that. One oft-mentioned point in this forum is the notion that the 16-seeding system in slams resulted in huge upsets more often... which translates to easier rounds later in slams more often for the top seeds that made it. also, the concept of "surface specialists" --- a term invented to refer to folks who sucked on surfaces, other than the ones they're "specialists" in. These "specialists", while great on their surface, lacked big match clutchness (naturally.. grass specialists get one tournament per year to fine-tune their mental strength)... which could also explain the higher hold stats.

either that, or we could just analyze stats without adding caveats to it when it doesn't suit our view points (e.g. explaining away consistency of current top seeds to a 32-seed system, or homogeneity in surfaces or bemoaning lack of surface "specialists")?


ok let's reconsider

if bolded stands, sampras should play lower ranked oponents more often at QF to F stage than roddick

since they come from the different seeding sistem, let's compare them in 2 categories; how much they played players ranked 1-16 and 1-32


australian open

roddick has 10 matches from qf-f
sampras has 14 matches from qf-f

vs players ranked 1-16

roddick played 5 of 10 matches, 50%
sampras played 10 of 14 matches, 71%

vs players ranked 1-32

roddick played 7 of 10 matches, 70%
sampras played 12 of 14 matches, 83%



wimbledon

roddick has 12 matches from qf-f
sampras has 24 matches from qf-f

vs players ranked 1-16

roddick played 6 of 12 matches, 50%
sampras played 14 of 24 matches, 58%

vs players ranked 1-32

roddick played 9 of 12 matches, 75%
sampras played 19 of 24 matches, 79%



us open

roddick has 12 matches from qf-f
sampras has 27 matches from qf-f

vs players ranked 1-16

roddick played 8 of 12 matches, 67%
sampras played 21 of 27matches, 78%

vs players ranked 1-32

roddick played 11 of 12 matches, 92%
sampras played 26 of 27 matches, 96%



so sampras leads in every single category at every slam. looks like bolded doesn't stand in this comparation. sampras didn't benefit from lower ranked oponents - in fact he played tougher oposition more often, if we go by ranking, no matter if it's 1-16 or 1-32. so i stand by what i said before; sampras service game is in different class from roddick's from QF to F. is it because of sampras' superior backup game or the serve itself, that is arguable.

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