Originally Posted by OrangePower
Guess it's a matter of definition then.
When I think "kicker", I think "shoots up high off the court".
Otherwise, it's just a serve with some top on it.
Agree that 2nd serves should always have some top or top/slice - pretty much the norm at 3.5 or so and above.
But top is not the same as kick, at least for me.
Normally kickers are around 6 foot and higher right? So if your strike angle so high enough off the ground, even with a little bit of spin it should jump to at least around 6 foot. It's just getting enough RHS to get that spin.