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Old 03-03-2013, 07:37 PM   #27
timnz
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Default Even head to head between Federer and Nadal

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Originally Posted by The_Order View Post
Ok.

AO - Nadal 2 Federer 0
RG - Nadal 5 Federer 0
WIM - Nadal 1 Federer 2
USO - DNP

Nadal has beat Federer in 3/4 majors. Federer has beat Nadal in only 1/4 majors.

Nadal has ownership of Federer.

Now we'll look at the collective surface h2h including the minor tournaments:

Clay - Nadal 12 Federer 2
Grass - Nadal 1 Federer 2
Indoor HC - Nadal 0 Federer 4
outdoor HC - Nadal 5 Federer 2

So, grass is quite even, Fed owns Rafa on indoor HC but Rafa owns Fed on clay and outdoor HC. So Rafa overall owns him, that's why the h2h is 18 - 10.
But grass isn't even - it is 2 to Federer 1 to Nadal.

Clay - Nadal
Outdoor Hard - Nadal
Indoor Hard - Federer
Grass - Federer

So it is two surfaces/conditions all. So not at all sure why you say Rafa overall owns him. One should never talk about head to head without reference to surface. If Nadal wins 10 more Clay matchups - it is irrelevant - we all know who is the better clay court player (by the way - who isn't worse than Nadal on clay?).

So no owning at all. If the head to head had been played over an even proportion of surfaces/conditions - then I think Federer would be slightly ahead or at least they would be pretty much even.

If you object, please reflect on this question first.Would the Borg/McEnroe head to head be at 7 all still, if they had played the majority of their matches on clay?
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