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Borg d. Vilas 6-1, 6-1, 6-3
The match lasted 1 hour 49 minutes. By my count, there were 133 points. Borg won 84, Vilas 49 (so Borg got 63% of the points). Borg gave up 22 points on serve and won more points on Vilas’ serve than Vilas himself did (38 to 27). Borg had 0 aces and 1 double. Vilas had 0 aces and 5 doubles. The exact winner counts are a problem because the Italian TV coverage isolated on one player at a time during a stretch spanning six points (for example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4pPc9YesFc). In that stretch there were only 2 winners, both by Borg: I put them down as a BHV and a BH pass. The totals: Borg made 21 clean winners: 9 FH, 7 BH, 2 FHV, 3 BHV. Vilas made 20 clean winners: 4 FH, 3 BH, 5 FHV, 5 BHV, 3 overheads. Vilas had more winners from volleys/smashes than from ground strokes, 13 vs. 7 (in the third set alone it was 6 vs. 2). Borg had 2 BH passes in the first set, 2 FH passes in the second, and 4 more of each in the third. His 8 passing shots in the third set account for all but two of his winners in that set. His 12 passing shots altogether account for a majority of his winners. If not for Vilas' increasingly frequent trips to the net, neither player would have had a high winner count. Vilas had only one passing shot, a FH in the first set. He did have a BH lob winner in the next game, though. I counted the net advances, though it was some time ago, and unfortunately I did not describe exactly what method I used. Nevertheless the picture is clear: Borg coming in less as the match progressed, Vilas more. Borg came to net 26 times and won 16 (or 62%). Since he won 63% of all the points in the match, what he was doing at net was essentially no more successful than anything else. Vilas came to net 49 times and won 25 (or 51%). Since Vilas won only 37% of the points overall, he was right to come in. Borg’s trips to net became less frequent as the match went on, divided by set as follows: 14, 6, 6. Vilas came to net with increasing frequency. His approaches per set were: 6, 16, 26. There were only 6 serve-and-volley points in the match, all by Vilas, all following a wide serve in the ad court. He won five of them (but did not make his first attempt until the last game of the second set). Vilas used his backhand slice to approach at least 13 times (once for a clear winner), while Borg did so at least twice. Vilas was the only one to return a serve and come in, losing both of his attempts, each on Borg’s second serve. Borg came to net 9 times during Vilas’ service games, Vilas 18 times on Borg’s serve. Last edited by krosero : 07-20-2011 at 05:39 PM. Reason: slight corrections |
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again thanskssssssss!
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Sounds like there was no way (either rallying or at net) Vilas could beat Borg that day.
63% of the points: wow!
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Thanks for this one.
Lucio.
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By my count (again doing a little guesswork on those 6 points where only one side of the court is shown):
Borg made 19 unforced errors: 10 FH, 4 BH, 2 FHV, 1 BHV, 1 OV, 1 DF Vilas made 51 unforced errors: 9 FH, 31 BH, 4 FHV, 1 BHV, 1 OV, 5 DF Borg made 10 forced errors: 2 FH, 4 BH, 1 FHV, 3 BHV Vilas made 12 forced errors: 4 FH, 5 BH, 3 FHV Borg worked over Vilas’ backhand and really broke it down. His tactic seemed often to pull Vilas wide with crosscourt backhands and then drive a forehand into Vilas’ backhand corner. That forced Vilas into some errors, but he coughed up plenty of unforced errors under the pressure as well. 31 UE and only 3 clean winners from the Vilas BH. |
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Some service stats (these did not involve any guesswork on those 6 points in question).
Borg had no aces but he had 5 unreturned serves. Vilas had 3. Neither man had a service winner in my judgment. Borg made 35 of 68 first serves (51.5%). Vilas made 44 of 65 first serves (67.7%). Borg converted 8 of 10 break points, Vilas 2 of 3. Borg made his first serve on 2 of 3 break points, Vilas on 4 of 10. Vilas held in 3 of 11 service games; he did not hold serve until the second set but he did hold in his last two service games of the match. Borg won 25 of 35 points on first serve (71%), and 21 of 33 on second (64%). Vilas won 18 of 44 points on first serve (41%), and 9 of 21 on second (43%). And if you set aside Vilas’ 5 double-faults, he won 9 of 16 points on second serve, or 56%. So really if his serve went in he was quite a bit more likely to win on second serve than on first. In fact his rate on second serve is better than even, and you can’t say that about too many of his stats in this match. Last edited by krosero : 04-22-2013 at 12:58 PM. |
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The New York Times reported that Vilas did not look sharp throughout the tournament, that he lacked punch on his backhand:
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Vilas played a lot better than the scoreline suggests. Borg was just a little better in everything, though, which is why Vilas' usual strengths became weaknesses.
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That's not to say that Vilas could not have done better. It's not as if all of these errors came after long strenous rallies; many came near the start of rallies and were clearly unforced. But it is to say that you have to look at Vilas' BH errors in the context of how the match was played. |
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Here are a few stats and observations for some of their other matches -- these were all won by Borg.
1975 French final (6-2, 6-3, 6-4): Quote:
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Borg could really clamp down on any errors, thereby making even the great Vilas backhand look error prone. Losing just 32 games during a entire French Open run is an amazing stat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4pPc9YesFc (Vilas hitting. Thanks to Krosero.) ![]() ![]() ![]()
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there are basically only four was a point can end here. Borg hits a winner. Borg makes an error. Vilas hits a winner. Vilas makes an error. Vilas isn't going to hit many winners on clay vs the fastest man in the sport. and Borg isn't going to make many errors on any surface. That makes for the inevitable. Vilas simply makes the rallies longer before the inevitable than most.
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And Vilas didn't, either, for the most part. Very casual serving in large stretches of this match, just start-the-point serving. It's pretty rare to see a player go a whole set without missing a return, but Borg did it in the first set, Vilas in the second. I do think Vilas started to do more with his serves at the end when he decided to do some SV. Don't have Vilas' BH stat for '77. Last edited by krosero : 07-22-2011 at 02:24 PM. |
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What are the stats for their match in Nations Cup 80 ?
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I haven't found any stats for that match.
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Just as an aside, folks: the "RG final" (sic) is the FRENCH OPEN, to give it its proper (and pretty obvious) title.
I find it quite amazing how frequently on this site the French Open is referred to as either "The RG" or "Roland Garros". Roland Garros is the LOCATION of that tournament. That's all. It is not, and never has been, its TITLE. |
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" Roland Garros was a French aviator during World War I. Roland Garros may also refer to: The French Open, a Grand Slam tennis tournament referred to in French as Les internationaux de France de Roland-Garros or Tournoi de Roland-Garros. Roland Garros Airport, the airport in Saint-Denis, Réunion Stade Roland Garros, a tennis stadium in Paris, France..." I emboldened the relevant part. We use it as a synonym for the entire tournament because it is one! |
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I'm the sort of person who always puts his hand up when he's wrong. And I do that now
I've checked your source and also others, and the French Open is, indeed, also known as Roland Garros. Thanks, BTurner, for correcting me. |
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