Best F1 driver right now- Vettel or Alonso

[NadalAgassi]

There seems to be some debate amongst F1 fans who is the best current F1 driver Sebastien Vettel or Fernando Alonso. They are the only current multi World Driving Champions. Vettel has won the last 2 World Championships but he has naysayers who say he only won due to a perceived vastly superior car. Alonso has made due with a car generally regarded as inferior to not only Red Bull but even McLaren the last 2 years, and despite that has been ahead of many of their drivers the last 2 years, and very nearly won the World Championship in 2010. This year the 3 cars seem closer than previous, even with most in the know still thinking Ferrari is probably the slowest of the 3, and Alonso is leading the World Championship over Vettel.

So who do you consider the best F1 driver, Alonso or Vettel. The thing is I dont think there is anyone who regards Alonso as any less than 2nd best behind Vettel. Nobody views him as inferior to any of Hamilton, Button, Webber, Rosberg. Meanwhile Vettel has people who consider him the best but people who consider him down as low as 4th or 5th best, and people who consider him not only inferior to Alonso but some of Hamilton, Button, Weber, Rosberg, Raikkonen, as well.

[NadalAgassi]

I think Alonso is the better driver personally, and obviously thus the best driver in F1 right now.

[PSNELKE]

As a German I'd love to say Vettel.
But let's be real, Alonso is the most skilled, talented driver in the field followed by Kimi, Lewis and Seb.

I never really liked Alonso but damn that guy knows how to drive a F1 car.
I was impressed with how bad the car was during the first few GPs and he still came out on Top now.

[Bobby Jr]

Yeah, Alonso gets the nod here imo. He's shown a lot of skill in average cars many times before. Vettel is more like Mika Hakkinen was - awesome when the car is hooked up but a little impotent when it's not.

[hollywood9826]

Since Hamilton is the one with Tony Stewart in the commercials here in the States I am supposed to think that Hamilton is the best driver.

In the words of Ric Flair

"To be the man you gotta beat the man"

And the man is Vettel, he still has the title.

[MarrratSafin]

If best means fastest, the answer is Lewis Hamilton without a doubt. The fact is Hamilton started his rookie year only a tad slower than Alonso and by the end of that year he was already on par, if not faster than Alonso.

But he is hampered by team errors, misfortunes with drivers and equipment, etc. Alonso has extremely good racecraft which is why he is leading the championship now.

[NadalAgassi]

Originally Posted by MarrratSafin

If best means fastest, the answer is Lewis Hamilton without a doubt. The fact is Hamilton started his rookie year only a tad slower than Alonso and by the end of that year he was already on par, if not faster than Alonso.

But he is hampered by team errors, misfortunes with drivers and equipment, etc. Alonso has extremely good racecraft which is why he is leading the championship now.

Making mistakes and managing the car is part of being a better driver. Hamilton is much poorer in those areas which have to be factored in. It isnt all about speed. Given all the controversy that went on in McLaren the year Alonso and Hamilton were teammates there I also dont give much credence to anything that happened that year.

Originally Posted by Pete.Sampras.

Btw OP, don't forget about Schumacher. He is not fighting for the championship but that doesn't take his seven titles away (multi-champion drivers)

I am no just talking "current" ability. Of course in career greatness Schumacher is the best, although he like Vettel benefited greatly from a dominant car most of his career, and I think ability wise someone like Alonso is just as good as him. However in current ability he has mostly of the time been below Rosberg in the same car since his return to F1 so he doesnt even factor in.

[Pete.Sampras.]

Originally Posted by NadalAgassi

Making mistakes and managing the car is part of being a better driver. Hamilton is much poorer in those areas which have to be factored in. It isnt all about speed. Given all the controversy that went on in McLaren the year Alonso and Hamilton were teammates there I also dont give much credence to anything that happened that year.



I am no just talking "current" ability. Of course in career greatness Schumacher is the best, although he like Vettel benefited greatly from a dominant car most of his career, and I think ability wise someone like Alonso is just as good as him. However in current ability he has mostly of the time been below Rosberg in the same car since his return to F1 so he doesnt even factor in.

Well, you need a great car to win the championship. Alonso always said that the car is at least 70% of your chances. But Schumacher proved himself in inferior cars and so did Vettel in a few races (not over the course of a whole season, but Vettel did not have as many chances yet).

The Williams was a better car in '94 and '95 when Schumacher won his first titles. Some of Schumacher's Ferrari titles were very close ones as well. There were one or two years when it was indeed easy for him, but "most of his career" seems a bit too much imo

Vettel seems to do better than his teammates in a great car, but this season showed that he does not always handle a tough situation as well as you would expect. He is still young though. Maybe it will be different in a few years, with more experience. Who knows.

Anyway, right now Alonso is the best...

[rainingaces]

Originally Posted by MarrratSafin

If best means fastest, the answer is Lewis Hamilton without a doubt. The fact is Hamilton started his rookie year only a tad slower than Alonso and by the end of that year he was already on par, if not faster than Alonso.

But he is hampered by team errors, misfortunes with drivers and equipment, etc. Alonso has extremely good racecraft which is why he is leading the championship now.

Thats the media speaking. Alonso was given the number 2 car hence the fallout between him and his team especially ron dennis. Towards the end hamilton was being favoured in every way you can imagine, even though he was a rookie and alonso a 2 time wc.

Hamilton has the best car in testing this year and would probably be winning the title but for a slow start and some reliability problems. Hamilton will have the best car again next year when he moves to mercedes because of new regulations coming in 2013.

[Bobby Jr]

Originally Posted by rainingaces

Thats the media speaking. Alonso was given the number 2 car hence the fallout between him and his team especially

No he wasn't... not only did his car have the #1 on it, he also got the same opportunities as Hamilton - he just famously spat the dummy and threw his toys out the cot when he realised that not being in a completely Alonso-centric operation he would have to put a little more effort into stuff.

Likewise, the Mike Coughlan scandal also put him on the back foot when it was revealed Alonso was actively complicit in using information on Ferrari's set-up (from Nigel Stepney) - when he knew he shouldn't have. He was just lucky as hell they offered the drivers an amnesty to say what they knew. In another situation he would have been banned along with Coughlan, (test driver) Pedro De La Rosa and others. Hamilton kept his head down and nose out of the business (publicly at least) and Ron Dennis was probably just repaying the loyalty of Hamilton imo.

Alonso also seemed to the instigator of Renault getting into crap over their having other teams' technical info. He had a lot of insider knowledge on Renault having just come from them and, mysteriously, not long after he went to McLaren, stories about Flavio Briatore and Renault's technical rule-bending started surfacing.

Clutter aside, for natural pace and overall consistency Alonso rules the F1 grid in the average to above-average competitive teams. Hamilton is lightning quick when he is, but has also had plenty of times when he's been rather meek - not to mention the patches of error prone driving he had also. Kimi would be right up there too but he seems to swing between blind brilliance and not giving a ****.

[tistrapukcipeht]

Originally Posted by rainingaces

Thats the media speaking. Alonso was given the number 2 car hence the fallout between him and his team especially ron dennis. Towards the end hamilton was being favoured in every way you can imagine, even though he was a rookie and alonso a 2 time wc.

Hamilton has the best car in testing this year and would probably be winning the title but for a slow start and some reliability problems. Hamilton will have the best car again next year when he moves to mercedes because of new regulations coming in 2013.

I wouldn't doubt, just think about, Hamilton has been sponsored and helped by Ron Dennis since He was a kid, He is almost like a son to Ron Dennis. Ron as sneaky as He is I would not doubt if they gave Hamilton a slightly more powerful engine since the beginning, this is my opinion, now, towards the end of that season, Mclaren clearly sabotaged Alonso and favored Hamilton, just look at the Hungarian Fiasco in which unfairly had FIA's intervention and unfairly punished Alonso. Mclaren has always been sneaky and cheated with the consensus of FIA.

Honestly, Hamilton is a poor man's Mansell, there was a championship He lost to Kimi having so many points difference with only 3 races to go, pressure came down on him, He lost it. He is not in the same league as Vettel and Alonso, if Kimi gave a damn, when He is on, he is one of the best, but He is too unlucky.

Lastly, no top driver wants to share anything, that's how it is supposed to be, if a driver is a top driver they need to have it all working for them, they earned it, so Alonso and Vettel are better than their team mates so they need to be prioritized.

[Pete.Sampras.]

I'd give my vote to Alonso. He was a bit lucky with rainy conditions in the early races of this season, but in every race (except for the "unlucky" Spa) he did the best his car allowed him to do.

Btw OP, don't forget about Schumacher. He is not fighting for the championship but that doesn't take his seven titles away (multi-champion drivers)

[Peters]

I have to say, I'm rather interested in this thread. A year ago NadalAgassi, you made an F1 thread in here where you were adamant Vettel was the best driver in Formula1 (when he was whizzing off each race with his superdiffuser) and calling people idiots for suggesting otherwise.

What changed?


One thing's for sure, Alonso is a better driver than Vettel. Actually, I feel Alonso, Hamilton and Raikonnen are all better than Vettel and would have all won the last 2 championships in that 10/11 RedBull at a canter.

It's not an exact science trying to work it all out though. In Formula1, it's never as black&white as simply counting how many championships have been won.

[NadalAgassi]

Originally Posted by Peters

I have to say, I'm rather interested in this thread. A year ago NadalAgassi, you made an F1 thread in here where you were adamant Vettel was the best driver in Formula1 (when he was whizzing off each race with his superdiffuser) and calling people idiots for suggesting otherwise.

What changed?


One thing's for sure, Alonso is a better driver than Vettel. Actually, I feel Alonso, Hamilton and Raikonnen are all better than Vettel and would have all won the last 2 championships in that 10/11 RedBull at a canter.

It's not an exact science trying to work it all out though. In Formula1, it's never as black&white as simply counting how many championships have been won.

Last year Alonso was driving poorly for his standards in addition to the slower car, his car was no worse than 2010 when he nearly won the World Championship despite also having far from the best car. Hamilton was also driving poorly last year and was being far eclipsed by Button in the same car so it is frankly laughable to say he would have won a World title in any car last year. This year both are driving much better than last year, and Raikkonnen is also back and driving very well in a much less competitive car, which makes it not as clear cut anymore, but last year Vettel was clearly the best driver in addition to having the best car.

[Peters]

Originally Posted by NadalAgassi

..but last year Vettel was clearly the best driver in addition to having the best car.

I'd disagree with that since the championship was sown up in that car either way, Vettel just had to keep it on the road. Whereas everyone else had to fight and scrap all season long with inferior equipment. (Apart from Webber, but he's on a low level compared to the best drivers like Alonso/Hamilton & co).

[NadalAgassi]

Originally Posted by Peters

I'd disagree with that since the championship was sown up in that car either way, Vettel just had to keep it on the road. Whereas everyone else had to fight and scrap all season long with inferior equipment. (Apart from Webber, but he's on a low level compared to the best drivers like Alonso/Hamilton & co).

Fair enough. The only way we will ever know for sure is to put everyone in the same car, but that will never happen.

Originally Posted by rainingaces

Hamilton will have the best car again next year when he moves to mercedes because of new regulations coming in 2013.

Hmm I think the new regulation will help Mercedes but the best car next year? Not impossible but I would be surprised. Either way Hamilton would be taking a gamble going to Mercedes, as what if they turn out to be still slower than McLaren. Who would he replace? Schmacher has talked of retiring but has he made it official. Would the team drop him even if he doesnt volunteeringly go. I could be wrong but I dont see them dropping Rosberg.

[r2473]

Now that Danica is racing NASCAR, I really don't know.

[tistrapukcipeht]

I voted for Vettel because He has been solid with his car being worse than Ferrari for most of time, He isn't lucky as Alonso, Alonso won several points due to luck.

Career wise, I'd still rate Alonso the best of them all, with Vettel being slightly behind, Vettel is faster driver but still makes a little more mistakes than Alonso, but Vettel is a lot more inexperienced as well.

PS- Michael Schumacher's come back because of money has been very poor and very unlucky as well. The König needs to retire for sure, plus F1 nowadays with DRS/KERS suck.

[Pete.Sampras.]

Originally Posted by tistrapukcipeht

I voted for Vettel because He has been solid with his car being worse than Ferrari for most of time, He isn't lucky as Alonso, Alonso won several points due to luck.

Career wise, I'd still rate Alonso the best of them all, with Vettel being slightly behind, Vettel is faster driver but still makes a little more mistakes than Alonso, but Vettel is a lot more inexperienced as well.

PS- Michael Schumacher's come back because of money has been very poor and very unlucky as well. The König needs to retire for sure, plus F1 nowadays with DRS/KERS suck.

The Red Bull has been a better car throughout the entire season than the Ferrari.

I guess you're just comparing the two drivers as the poll says because there would be a lot more drivers to mention...

Schumacher is a billionaire and certainly did not return for any money. If you follow the F1 closely like I do (I'm a sports journalist) you will know that Schumacher is better this year than in both years before and still very competitive. The only reason why he does not have as many points as Rosberg is because technical problems on his car forced him to retire in five races. The oher two "dnf" were his own fault though. He's probably not as good as he was in his prime, but he's still among the best.

Oh, it seems I'm starting to defend Schumacher for some reason. This is an Alonso/Vettel thread though. Sorry for that. I'm off now

[tistrapukcipeht]

Originally Posted by Pete.Sampras.

The Red Bull has been a better car throughout the entire season than the Ferrari.

I guess you're just comparing the two drivers as the poll says because there would be a lot more drivers to mention...

Schumacher is a billionaire and certainly did not return for any money. If you follow the F1 closely like I do (I'm a sports journalist) you will know that Schumacher is better this year than in both years before and still very competitive. The only reason why he does not have as many points as Rosberg is because technical problems on his car forced him to retire in five races. The oher two "dnf" were his own fault though. He's probably not as good as he was in his prime, but he's still among the best.

Oh, it seems I'm starting to defend Schumacher for some reason. This is an Alonso/Vettel thread though. Sorry for that. I'm off now

I'm glad you are a sport journalist, because I do follow F1 and have been since 1986 as far as I can remember.

Schumacher Is nowhere near his best, I'd say he is around 40% or lower than his best. He had a lot of investments when the stock marketing in 2008 had that big down side He lost a lot of money, I don't know details about it, since you're in the business you should know about it.

Of course I'm comparing only Vettel and Alonso, that is the poll.