Can't call your 1st serve out?

[dlam]

This rule I'm not to fond of
If you are allow to call any of your own shots out including the 2nd serve than why do we have to play the point if it my 1st serve looks clearly long but my opponent still returns it?

[sundaypunch]

Because the point is conceded to your opponent on any shot of yours you call out other than the first serve. If they allowed the server to call his first serve out, you could have them argue "it was out" after the opponent hits a return for a winner.

[floridatennisdude]

Originally Posted by dlam

This rule I'm not to fond of
If you are allow to call any of your own shots out including the 2nd serve than why do we have to play the point if it my 1st serve looks clearly long but my opponent still returns it?

Have you not searched this on this forum? This one is pretty obvious.

You can't watch your opponents return winner and then claim your serve was out. Any other line call you can make against yourself as there is no advantage to doing so.

[dlam]

Originally Posted by floridatennisdude

Have you not searched this on this forum? This one is pretty obvious.

You can't watch your opponents return winner and then claim your serve was out. Any other line call you can make against yourself as there is no advantage to doing so.

Yes so the returner can hit winners all day and call my "outs" in and when he misses, hits wide, or hits the net he calls the one that was in "out"
Makes sense to me

[Avles]

Originally Posted by dlam

Yes so the returner can hit winners all day and call my "outs" in and when he misses, hits wide, or hits the net he calls the one that was in "out"
Makes sense to me

Your opponent can do this on any borderline shot, not just service returns. There's no rule that can prevent your opponent from cheating.

The principle at work here is that can you only overrule your opponent's call when that overrule will benefit your opponent. I think that principle makes sense.

[dlam]

Originally Posted by Avles

Your opponent can do this on any borderline shot, not just service returns. There's no rule that can prevent your opponent from cheating.

The principle at work here is that can you only overrule your opponent's call when that overrule will benefit your opponent. I think that principle makes sense.

What kind of argument is that?

I hit a 1st serve that I perceive to be wide but he says it good
I know it's out but I can't over rule him and and end up taking the point
Clearly this over rule would have benefited the opponent

[OrangePower]

Originally Posted by dlam

What kind of argument is that?

I hit a 1st serve that I perceive to be wide but he says it good
I know it's out but I can't over rule him and and end up taking the point
Clearly this over rule would have benefited the opponent

If you see your serve out, and your opponent does not get a return back, you can say to your opponent "hey, I thought the serve was out". Your opponent will then likely say either "no, your point, I'm pretty sure it was in", or else "thanks, I wasn't sure but didn't want to call it out, second serve." Either way, the final call is theirs.

On the other hand if they make a good return, you have to play the point. You can't stop play and claim your serve was out.

[floridatennisdude]

Originally Posted by dlam

Yes so the returner can hit winners all day and call my "outs" in and when he misses, hits wide, or hits the net he calls the one that was in "out"
Makes sense to me

Sure, a d-bag will be a d-bag.

Doesn't mean you stop play when no call is made. You snooze, you lose.

[gmatheis]

To set some things straight.

- Rule 25( 2011 ed) or rule 26 (2012 ed) refers to both doubles and singles.

- Your opponent cant hit out balls all day and see where they go before calling them out because part of rule 17 states "A call shall be made either before the player’s return shot has gone out of play or before an opponent has had an opportunity to play the return shot."

- If your opponent considers your first serve in but misses the return and you saw that your first serve was clearly out then you can and should call it out.

[esgee48]

The first or second time he or she does that, I would continue on but with a warning. After that, I would call it interruption of play and take a 1st serve or call an actual hindrance/take point. Of course, we're not talking about 100 MPH serves.

[dlam]

Originally Posted by esgee48

The first or second time he or she does that, I would continue on but with a warning. After that, I would call it interruption of play and take a 1st serve or call an actual hindrance/take point. Of course, we're not talking about 100 MPH serves.

???
How do you have authority to do this?

[Magnetite]

It's just one of those things. There are many players that play without calling the score, and who barely make a gesture or say anything when a shot is out.

I remember during one match where I hit a serve blatantly long, my opponent hit the ball casually, and didn't move, I got ready to serve again, and the guy says, "your serve was in."

He barely called anything, so it was pretty ridiculous. You just have to play every ball and beat these idiots into a bloody pulp. Coincidentally, these are the same people who don't signal when driving, and txt while in rush hour traffic.

[dlam]

Originally Posted by Magnetite

It's just one of those things. There are many players that play without calling the score, and who barely make a gesture or say anything when a shot is out.

I remember during one match where I hit a serve blatantly long, my opponent hit the ball casually, and didn't move, I got ready to serve again, and the guy says, "your serve was in."

He barely called anything, so it was pretty ridiculous. You just have to play every ball and beat these idiots into a bloody pulp. Coincidentally, these are the same people who don't signal when driving, and txt while in rush hour traffic.

Good point
Whenever I play against someone like that I alway questioning their judgement on all calls
In this situation an over rule should have the honorable thing to do but rules prohibit it

[TomT]

Originally Posted by dlam

This rule I'm not to fond of
If you are allow to call any of your own shots out including the 2nd serve than why do we have to play the point if it my 1st serve looks clearly long but my opponent still returns it?

As far as I know, the rule is that shots landing on your side are your call and shots landing on your opponent's side are their call. Period.

[esgee48]

Say 1st serve is long, but is returned without a call. I will play it and if the returner then says 'it was out', it's time for a warning because the return interrupts the service. I am no longer in position to serve a second because I am chasing down his return and have or am preparing to return the ball. If he halts play, I would warn him. Next time, it's a hindrance because he is saying something as you prepare to hit the ball. You really have to tell idiots like this what you plan to do so they understand that returning long serves are not needed. They should (1) let it go or (2) block it into the net.

[dlam]

Originally Posted by esgee48

Say 1st serve is long, but is returned without a call. I will play it and if the returner then says 'it was out', it's time for a warning because the return interrupts the service. I am no longer in position to serve a second because I am chasing down his return and have or am preparing to return the ball. If he halts play, I would warn him. Next time, it's a hindrance because he is saying something as you prepare to hit the ball. You really have to tell idiots like this what you plan to do so they understand that returning long serves are not needed. They should (1) let it go or (2) block it into the net.

Okay then what if it's a 100 mph serve?
I don't think this will work

[dizzlmcwizzl]

If you serve and I think it is in I will return the ball. Your job is to play my return until I have told you it was out. You are not disadvantaged if I play an out ball ... unless you stop playing yourself.

If you were allowed to call first serves out then you would be in the position to see my returns and then decide to call the ball out. This would put me at a clear disadvantage if every good return I made was met with a late out call from the server.

It seems to me that however the rule was written a nefarious person could take advantage of the rule ... The USTA, ITF, and every other organization has decided the player on the ball side of the court should have the responsibility as to whether the ball in is or out. They have been very consistent in this regard.

[Cindysphinx]

Originally Posted by esgee48

Say 1st serve is long, but is returned without a call. I will play it and if the returner then says 'it was out', it's time for a warning because the return interrupts the service. I am no longer in position to serve a second because I am chasing down his return and have or am preparing to return the ball. If he halts play, I would warn him. Next time, it's a hindrance because he is saying something as you prepare to hit the ball. You really have to tell idiots like this what you plan to do so they understand that returning long serves are not needed. They should (1) let it go or (2) block it into the net.

Mmmm, I'm not sure about a lot of this.

If a fast first serve is just barely out, the receiver may well have to start his
swing and return the ball. Yes, she should say "Out," but she may not say it loudly enough or clearly enough, especially if she is a grunter.

If she returns the ball and then clarifies that it was out before you have hit the ball and while the ball is traveling toward you, I do not think you are within your rights to call a hindrance. The reason is that there is no live ball being played. She is calling it out, so you cannot be hindered in playing a ball that is not a live ball to play.

Now, if it is an obviously out fault, I think you are within your rights to object to someone who constantly hits obviously out faults over the net. If you are taking the position that someone who returns a 100 mph serve that is out by two inches is returning an obvious fault, I can't agree with you.

[esgee48]

Read my first post. I actually have time to call 100 MPH serves in or out. And stop my swing. You have about 1/2 second to read and react. 120 MPH is a different story, but how many people here face 1st serves of that speed.

I don't disagree with the rule. What I don't like is a returner that returns a ball and partially thru the rally, say 'That was out, I think.'

[stapletonj]

AS to the guy who retunrs and then after a while calls your serve long...

Don't be "that guy". duh

Don't be afraid to invoke the make the call immmediately, no 2 chances rule....