Not Enough Hours In The Day!!

[ga tennis]

I am getting frustrated!!! My daughter goes to public school and doesnt get home till after 4;00. When she gets home she is usually tired from a long day at school. All of her tennis friends are homeschooled. She usually practices around an hour and a half a day and tournaments on the weekend. Im just concerned that with her going to regular school she is not getting enough time on the court. I wanna put her with her academy full time but cant afford it. So my question to you guys is do you think an hour and a half is enough for a girl that just turned 11????

[barringer97]

according to all of those studies, yes.

But then you read stories like this:

http://norcaltennisczar.blogspot.com...t-kidding.html

Azarenka's dedication paid off with her first Grand Slam singles title in the recent Australian Open and the No. 1 ranking. She is 17-0 with three titles this year entering the BNP Paribas Open, Wednesday through March 18 in Indian Wells.
"She would say, 'I can't go home. I feel terrible. I can't volley. I need to work on my volley," Sacramento State men's coach Slava Konikov, a 50-year-old Minsk native who taught Azarenka from age 8 to 14, said with a heavy accent. "I coach 34 years, and I never see anything like it. Most say, 'I don't have time today.' That's why she's No. 1 now. She told me all the time, 'Coach, let's go.' "
Azarenka's parents, Alla and Fedor, named their daughter Victoria because it's Latin for victory. Alla, who managed a tennis center, introduced Victoria to the sport at 7 and asked Konikov, an acquaintance, to work with her.
"She always told me, 'I want to be No. 1,' " said Konikov, who also coached countrymen Max Mirnyi, a former world No. 1 in doubles, and Vladimir Voltchkov, the first qualifier to reach the Wimbledon semifinals (2000) since John McEnroe in 1977. "She give me big energy every practice. ...
"I tell the (Sac State) guys, 'You need to believe you can be better.' 'Oh, no, Slava, it's tough.' Victoria Azarenka, every practice was like last practice (of her career). It's easy for coach. ...
"I'm like, 'Come on, you're a kid.' 'I want to be No. 1 -- what I have to do?' 'You have to work five or six hours a day.' "
No problem. Azarenka, who grew to be 6-foot, practiced five days a week and played matches or tournaments on weekends.
"She was never sick," Konikov said. "She never missed practice. Same with Mirnyi and Voltchkov. This is very important. She played very fast and hit hard. She told me, 'I want to play like a man, not a girl.' "
And these were not normal lessons and practice matches.
"Any ball, if it go out, she play it," Konikov recalled. "She never see lines. She play fence to fence."
Azarenka did not want a level playing field. She wanted to play with handicaps. Anything she could do to make life on the court tougher on herself, she would. Playing against boys and men. Giving herself only one serve. Giving her opponent the doubles alleys. Starting games at 0-15 or 0-30.
Azarenka's biggest handicap, though, was built-in. Impatience. If anything, she had too much desire. Konikov recalled the first time he saw Azarenka play.
"She was very nervous and throwing her racket," he said. "Her problem from the beginning was that after one practice, she wanted to feel she learned something. 'I need to learn the forehand today.' 'No, maybe (it takes) two months or two years.'
"I told her, 'If you be more patient, you'll be a great tennis player. Tennis is not easy. It's a tough sport.' At 10 or 11, she started to understand."
Still, Azarenka was never satisfied and needed constant encouragement.
"She was crying every single practice if something was wrong," Konikov continued. "We talked a lot: 'You're great, better than yesterday. You beat this girl.' 'No, she's terrible.' She beat her 6-0, 6-0 but was not excited. Every time, 'No, I want to be better.' "
In contrast, Konikov mentioned students at the Spare Time Junior Tennis Academy, where he also teaches in Sacramento.
"(I say,) 'You're missing so many balls. How do you feel?' 'I feel great.' 'Maybe you need to start crying. Why you're not No. 1?' " Konikov said.
With her talent, size and desire, Azarenka clearly was headed in that direction.
"She wasn't my first student," Konikov noted. "I had Mirnyi and Voltchkov. Max said he wanted to play with her (when she was) 11 or 12. Max was (23 or 24). He said (afterward) she can be No.1."

[WARPWOODIE]

Originally Posted by ga tennis

I wanna put her with her academy full time but cant afford it. So my question to you guys is do you think an hour and a half is enough for a girl that just turned 11????

I've read many of your past post and you struck me as someone with a lot of money

But as to your question, 1.5 hours of practice, 3-4 days per week should suffice. Quality practice time over quantity. Mix it up with drills (fed balls, work on mechanics, practice serves), practice matches with older/level based players, one on one coaching with personal coach. Don't worry too much what the other kids are doing or what their results/rankings are. The pressure is on them (the homeschoolers) later in their journey when return on investment doesn't add up. Be patient, it's a long journey, and your kid could be a late bloomer.

[TCF]

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[ga tennis]

Originally Posted by TCF

We practice about like what warpwoodie suggests. I am fine with it.

But we met these 2 eastern euro girls and they are on court 5 hours a day...EVERY day! The dad says they watch tennis channel constantly. They eat and sleep tennis.

The last 2 weeks we have trained with them and my girl spent 3-4 hours each time. She has improved at a scary rate in just 2 weeks. I said no yesterday, and might again today for a break.

These obsessed girls could burn out soon, we shall see. But yeah.....there are girls around the world spending many more hours than we are on court.

I know ALOT of girls like this. I just feel like we need more but its so hard when she has been at school from 7:30 to 3:30 Her little mind is exhausted!!!!

[TCF]

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[MarTennis]

Originally Posted by ga tennis

I am getting frustrated!!! My daughter goes to public school and doesnt get home till after 4;00. When she gets home she is usually tired from a long day at school. All of her tennis friends are homeschooled. She usually practices around an hour and a half a day and tournaments on the weekend. Im just concerned that with her going to regular school she is not getting enough time on the court. I wanna put her with her academy full time but cant afford it. So my question to you guys is do you think an hour and a half is enough for a girl that just turned 11????

Hell yes! 8 hours M-F and tourneys on weekends is more than enough, if at least an hour of each 1.5 is intense and well programmed.

I have been pondering the practice quality and schedule issues for my 10 year old. He has academy from 10 hours per week M-Th, they are diligent about warm up and warm down (25 minutes total), and well programmed in terms of keeping players moving for the remaining time. Once I was confident on that front, I thought about where the gaps remained. Nutrition and sleep, not lack of court time or practice was my conclusion. I gotta get expert on home cooked meals and enforcing bedtime and naps.

GA - perfect the off court stuff that contributes to health and performance. This will allow your charge to be intense with the limited time she has. You can make a decision on academy a little later after you assess all the alternative remedies.

Fulltime academy may lull you into thinking everything is being handled.

p.s. My charge is in public school. Between 2:40 and 4pm is home work, snack, decompression/(nap he won't take) and drop off to Ferriera/Bareis which runs from 4-6:30pm. He is dog tired at conclusion.

[Soianka]

Originally Posted by ga tennis

I am getting frustrated!!! My daughter goes to public school and doesnt get home till after 4;00. When she gets home she is usually tired from a long day at school. All of her tennis friends are homeschooled. She usually practices around an hour and a half a day and tournaments on the weekend. Im just concerned that with her going to regular school she is not getting enough time on the court. I wanna put her with her academy full time but cant afford it. So my question to you guys is do you think an hour and a half is enough for a girl that just turned 11????

Could you work out some sort of barter with her coach/academy with you donating some coaching hours to the academy for reduced tuition for her?

[Ash_Smith]

Originally Posted by ga tennis

So my question to you guys is do you think an hour and a half is enough for a girl that just turned 11????

Without wishing to sound glib...enough for what?

[LeeD]

Why and for what?
For playing junior tournaments, it's adaquate.
For winning state tournaments, it's not close.
Some sacrifice is needed. Why spend 6 hours at home? Dinner takes one hour, homework maybe 2...maybe more if they're not smart.
That still leaves plenty of time for more tennis and sleep by 10.

[LeeD]

Tired from a day at school?
Something is wrong with her. Or she's exxagerating to get out of homework or practice.
Every athelete I know went to school from 8-3, went to practice from 3:30 to 6, and some like me went to work from 8-11PM, napping during transport times.
Swimmers practice morning and afternoons, and most have jobs.

[WARPWOODIE]

Originally Posted by LeeD

Tired from a day at school?
Something is wrong with her. Or she's exxagerating to get out of homework or practice.
Every athelete I know went to school from 8-3, went to practice from 3:30 to 6, and some like me went to work from 8-11PM, napping during transport times.
Swimmers practice morning and afternoons, and most have jobs.

Good point...these are indicators that the kid may not be into tennis as much as the parent.

[TCF]

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[LeeD]

I've heard that, funny.
Had girlfriends with kids that age, and currenlty g/f's nephews that age.
Don't you believe it. There playing with their computers and texting when you think they're doing homework.
Yes, homework takes a real 2 hours. Maybe 3 if they're slow.
Texting and playing video games takes more than 3 hours a day.

[Misterbill]

Originally Posted by LeeD

I've heard that, funny.
Had girlfriends with kids that age, and currenlty g/f's nephews that age.
Don't you believe it. There playing with their computers and texting when you think they're doing homework.
Yes, homework takes a real 2 hours. Maybe 3 if they're slow.
Texting and playing video games takes more than 3 hours a day.

Right on! Kids are clever at hosing gullible parents. One parental check of the computer history or cellphone sent items/inbox can do wonders in reducing future homework time.

The few school systems I am familiar with provide estimates of average homework time. So if parents are concerned that homework is taking too much or too little time, there are at least rough benchmarks to go by. If junior is significantly exceeding the average estimated times, there may be a learning/study issue to deal with................or something more mundane.

[ga tennis]

Originally Posted by Misterbill

Right on! Kids are clever at hosing gullible parents. One parental check of the computer history or cellphone sent items/inbox can do wonders in reducing future homework time.

The few school systems I am familiar with provide estimates of average homework time. So if parents are concerned that homework is taking too much or too little time, there are at least rough benchmarks to go by. If junior is significantly exceeding the average estimated times, there may be a learning/study issue to deal with................or something more mundane.

She doesn't have a cell phone or computer.

[sureshs]

Originally Posted by TCF

Lee, I would only add that the amount of homework these days is many hours more than when I went to school. Its crazy how much work most kids have to take home now.

Not really here in CA. The homework is very controlled till high school. Starts from 15 minutes a day in Kindergarten and maxes out at maybe 45 minutes in the 8th grade, with many times the homework already "completed" in school.

High school 9 and 10 were also easy. Maybe 1.5 hours max. But now in the 11th grade with APs, it is up to 2.5 hours (max). And weekends too.

Very manageable indeed.

As a side note to you parents: Singapore which has the largest short-sight problem in the world has done research and figured out that excessive reading (due to homework) till the 5th grade is a key factor. After that it does not seem to matter. You will notice immediately how many kids in Singapore wear glasses. So, please do not burden your kids with other than the minimum mandatory homework in elementary school. It is bad for their health, and does not help at all later. No one really cares about academic performance in elementary school.

[TCF]

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[Bash and Crash]

Originally Posted by TCF

I like CA system then better. In FL., every school and teacher is graded and have huge incentives to have kids score well on FCAT and other standardized tests. My daughter's 7 year old friend carries homework home that boggles my mind.

Depends where you are in CA TCF, many of my students have loads of school work plus the work their parents give them, have had students that have taken SAT multiple times before they are even in high school, although I do live in a highly competitive educational area.

[sureshs]

Originally Posted by TCF

I like CA system then better. In FL., every school and teacher is graded and have huge incentives to have kids score well on FCAT and other standardized tests. My daughter's 7 year old friend carries homework home that boggles my mind.

Same here. They are called CST (California Standardized Tests) and were a by-product of NCLB. It means students are taught what is required very thoroughly as the school's funding depends on that, but on the other hand it has failed where the funds are lacking in general. Testing does not turn a bad situation into a good one, just shows it is bad. Many schools have been penalized for their poor API scores but the reason is really the demographics - schools can't do anything about that. Which means that NCLB has also been a nice excuse for the school districts to ask for more money.

The standardized tests also mean that teachers have become like corporate employees. Polite but distant, no wasted words, and no digressions into side topics. In other words, no memorable, eccentric teachers you loved or hated. They do their job like robots, they go home.