Do Players Have to Cheat to Win?

[tennismike33]

Originally Posted by Ronaldo

Notice, it is laughable. Guy claims he does not understand why everyone questions his calls. And we play on clay. And he still calls them out.

As a lifelong graduate of smart a** univesity I NEVER question the person making the calls playing doubles, I usually say to the partner, "Dude, how can you play with this guy, he can't see clearly. He must get you into a lot of arguments over calls, becasue his view of the line is blocked a lot. The calls he is making reflect very poorly on your team."

[migjam]

Originally Posted by Ronaldo

Notice, it is laughable. Guy claims he does not understand why everyone questions his calls. And we play on clay. And he still calls them out.

Well see there you have an issue, you can request them to show you the mark. On hard courts, unless the court is dirty, it is pretty hard to see a mark.

[Ronaldo]

mike, I question/correct the guy's calls, we not only play league matches but casually, switching partners with each set. Some members refuse to play in the same group with him.

[Ronaldo]

Originally Posted by migjam

Well see there you have an issue, you can request them to show you the mark. On hard courts, unless the court is dirty, it is pretty hard to see a mark.

Which mark, his or yours? Cannot even agree on the mark on clay

[migjam]

Originally Posted by Ronaldo

Which mark, his or yours? Cannot even agree on the mark on clay

Either. Thats the beauty of clay. Question the call by asking to see the mark. I don't know how many calls I've gotten reversed when my opponent can't find the mark or see's the white mark on the line.

[Ronaldo]

Meant agree on the mark when we are partners. Call against your partner, he's ****ed the rest of the day.

[amarone]

Originally Posted by migjam

Either. Thats the beauty of clay. Question the call by asking to see the mark. I don't know how many calls I've gotten reversed when my opponent can't find the mark or see's the white mark on the line.

I don't see why you should get a call reversed when the opponent cannot find the mark. As long as he was sure it was out, there is no onus on him/her to find a mark. Only if he finds the mark and it shows that it was in does he have to reverse the call.

[migjam]

Originally Posted by amarone

I don't see why you should get a call reversed when the opponent cannot find the mark. As long as he was sure it was out, there is no onus on him/her to find a mark. Only if he finds the mark and it shows that it was in does he have to reverse the call.

Well there should be a mark. But, I guess if he can't find it, the old rule of When in doubt, Call it out would be in effect huh?

[Ronaldo]

If there is no mark, assume the ball was on the line. Guy served, we see no mark and give him the point. His partner falls, laughing. He had shanked the serve over a tree, out of our line of sight.

[migjam]

Originally Posted by Ronaldo

If there is no mark, assume the ball was on the line. Guy served, we see no mark and give him the point. His partner falls, laughing. He had shanked the serve over a tree, out of our line of sight.

However on clay, a mark is usually left on the line as well. Also, if a ball does hit the line, it will usually skip.

[Ronaldo]

Totally agree, but you are honest. Btw, we were playing on hardcourts at nite when this guy serves one over a tree.

[Sakkijarvi]

The doubles guy I mentioned was a sub. Our group is good, we've had four guys standing over a mark, usually an aced serve, marveling at how it shows the serve just touched the tape, 'hey, take a look at this' kind of thing.

We want to get the call right and let ourselves enjoy 'the game' playing itself out. The occasional serve or shot on the tape that leaves no mark is in.

You get some dingdong in there that starts screwing with the calls and it's a different thing altogether. The guys I play doubles with are an established group and I 'do like in Rome' with them...they're super-polite so I don't question calls. In my singles, I'll question a bad call without hesitation unless I'm killing the guy.

Sakki

[Ronaldo]

When in doubt.....................call it out reigns supreme in these parts.

[migjam]

I'm sorry, I just can't play that way. I'd rather let my game speak for itself and win that way.