Found this on the net: Federer racket theories?

[theone]

When was this taken? It has the HPS paint job but the flanges or whatever they're called are cut in not circular

[johlhausen]

Originally Posted by Richie Rich

but they clearly deceive the public with numerous other painted frames used by the pro's. why believe Wilson now?

do you believe Wilson when they put out this press release? you must believe that Fish uses a k95 and so does Tursunov. I mean, it's in writing so according to your logic it must be true.

http://www.wilson.com/wilson/racquet...=1175253232420
BTW, Tursunov uses a racquet that is nothing like the k95.

It says in your article:
Wilson Racquet Sports, the world's #1 brand in tennis, officially announced today that ATP pros Mardy Fish and Dmitry Tursunov have signed with Wilson, making the switch to [K]Factor rackets. Fish, #22 in the ATP rankings, and Tursunov, #21, join world #1 Roger Federer in adopting Wilson's new [K]Factor technology.

If they used the technology, but not a racket that Wilson actually sells, could someone still sue them? Just wondering.

[zacinnc78]

Originally Posted by johlhausen

It says in your article:
Wilson Racquet Sports, the world's #1 brand in tennis, officially announced today that ATP pros Mardy Fish and Dmitry Tursunov have signed with Wilson, making the switch to [K]Factor rackets. Fish, #22 in the ATP rankings, and Tursunov, #21, join world #1 Roger Federer in adopting Wilson's new [K]Factor technology.

If they used the technology, but not a racket that Wilson actually sells, could someone still sue them? Just wondering.

they didnt say WHERE they use them(maybe they have to touch one once a week )and then go back to their original rackets(with paint job)

[BreakPoint]

Originally Posted by theone

When was this taken? It has the HPS paint job but the flanges or whatever they're called are cut in not circular

That is a PS Tour 90 with the HPS 6.0 95 Tour paintjob on it. The pic would have been taken either in the latter half of 2002 or the very beginning of 2003. Federer switched to the retail black PS Tour 90 paintjob in March 2003.

[fanatic456]

Nobody from the general public will ever get their hands on a real fed stick...ever. The truth is that it's a secret that fed does not want anyone to know. It's his competive advantage. It's worth his career so why make it public. So that others can benefit and beat him? Why would he want that?

Think about it. Fed always had great potential as a youngster. He always had game. BUT, he had no consistency with his ps85 and he could not hit the shots he hits these days. It would be physically impossible with a ps85. He was (back then) just another enjoyable tennis player with silky technique.

Everyone talks about the match in which he beat Sampras at wimbledon as his 'coming of age'. TOTAL CRAP. Look at the match...he's a totally different player now. Back then he was so inconsistent. He played great, but he played a style similar to Sampras back then. He's on a totally new level from Sampras now. And it's got nothing to do with improving his technique.

As soon as he switched to his modified Tour 90, he won wimbledon and the oz open next and became practically UNBEATABLE. He began to generate ridiculously more spin, power, dip, crazy angles. Watch the match against flip again and you'll see. He's been THAT player ever since. It was an overnight transformation. Only a coincidence that it occured in conjunction with a switch to a new racket?...mmm....I don't think so. The change was not to his technique...IT WAS THE RACKET.

Now, people talk about his new racket, old racket, blah, blah, blah all the time. Is he using a 1six1? Is he using a K factor, or whatever? Fact is, he's been using the same racket he's been using since his first wimbledon win, albeit with some very minor mods to string and weight (and paint scheme, for that matter) but he aint stupid and hasn't needed to fix what wasn't broke.

You guys buying these new rackets are just falling for the marketing techniques (crap) of major corp. Look...they need to turnover rackets. THAT IS THEIR BUSINESS. That's why they got into the racket biz in the first place...TO MAKE MONEY. Nothing more, nothing less. It's a business. Accept it. If you listen to anyone from wilson...do so at your own peril (stupidity). I can understand it. The people that make the big decisions in a major corporation are there because they have the ability (or are thought to have the ability) to increase revenue, market share, profits, etc. NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT THE GAME OF TENNIS.

Now, from what I can tell as an observer and player of the game, feds racket is the same mold all you guys are talking about. Cool! BUT, yes guys, it's the layup where it's all at.

When I was younger I was obsessed with rackets. I would do anything to find a competive advantage. I was continally experimenting with my rackets and yes, this experimentation improved my end game.

From my experience, what is different in fed racket you ask? Well, flexible material in key areas or possibly to the whole racket. Little or no kevlar (maybe in key areas again, but definitely not braded all over like the ps85. Alot of weight added to the top of the hoop. Completely different balance to stock (even balance or possibly even fractionally head heavy). The end result is a racket which has alot of playability in the top half (including the outer edges) of the hoop - resulting in the ability to PULL the ball and create more angles, lift and dip (AND POWER). I forgot to mention slice, which is also improved (You'll notice fed slices the ball compltely differently to any other player - I feel this is a necessity due to his setup).

Anyhoot, take this post for what you will. But I just wanted to get this stuff out of my head and into yours.

[jakshemash]

Is this what you believe or what you have reasonable proof for. This is because it is quite insulting to Federer as a player that you are saying that he's only doing well because of his racket. Otherwise, based on your statement the minute any tom, dick or harry finds their perfect racket and racket setup then they will be number one and be able to do incredible things with a tennis racket regardless of skill.

[theone]

The racket made Federer who he is? Lol...

[AlpineCadet]

Originally Posted by fanatic456

Nobody from the general public will ever get their hands on a real fed stick...ever. The truth is that it's a secret that fed does not want anyone to know. It's his competive advantage. It's worth his career so why make it public. So that others can benefit and beat him? Why would he want that?

Think about it. Fed always had great potential as a youngster. He always had game. BUT, he had no consistency with his ps85 and he could not hit the shots he hits these days. It would be physically impossible with a ps85. He was (back then) just another enjoyable tennis player with silky technique.

Everyone talks about the match in which he beat Sampras at wimbledon as his 'coming of age'. TOTAL CRAP. Look at the match...he's a totally different player now. Back then he was so inconsistent. He played great, but he played a style similar to Sampras back then. He's on a totally new level from Sampras now. And it's got nothing to do with improving his technique.

As soon as he switched to his modified Tour 90, he won wimbledon and the oz open next and became practically UNBEATABLE. He began to generate ridiculously more spin, power, dip, crazy angles. Watch the match against flip again and you'll see. He's been THAT player ever since. It was an overnight transformation. Only a coincidence that it occured in conjunction with a switch to a new racket?...mmm....I don't think so. The change was not to his technique...IT WAS THE RACKET.

Now, people talk about his new racket, old racket, blah, blah, blah all the time. Is he using a 1six1? Is he using a K factor, or whatever? Fact is, he's been using the same racket he's been using since his first wimbledon win, albeit with some very minor mods to string and weight (and paint scheme, for that matter) but he aint stupid and hasn't needed to fix what wasn't broke.

You guys buying these new rackets are just falling for the marketing techniques (crap) of major corp. Look...they need to turnover rackets. THAT IS THEIR BUSINESS. That's why they got into the racket biz in the first place...TO MAKE MONEY. Nothing more, nothing less. It's a business. Accept it. If you listen to anyone from wilson...do so at your own peril (stupidity). I can understand it. The people that make the big decisions in a major corporation are there because they have the ability (or are thought to have the ability) to increase revenue, market share, profits, etc. NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT THE GAME OF TENNIS.

Now, from what I can tell as an observer and player of the game, feds racket is the same mold all you guys are talking about. Cool! BUT, yes guys, it's the layup where it's all at.

When I was younger I was obsessed with rackets. I would do anything to find a competive advantage. I was continally experimenting with my rackets and yes, this experimentation improved my end game.

From my experience, what is different in fed racket you ask? Well, flexible material in key areas or possibly to the whole racket. Little or no kevlar (maybe in key areas again, but definitely not braded all over like the ps85. Alot of weight added to the top of the hoop. Completely different balance to stock (even balance or possibly even fractionally head heavy). The end result is a racket which has alot of playability in the top half (including the outer edges) of the hoop - resulting in the ability to PULL the ball and create more angles, lift and dip (AND POWER). I forgot to mention slice, which is also improved (You'll notice fed slices the ball compltely differently to any other player - I feel this is a necessity due to his setup).

Anyhoot, take this post for what you will. But I just wanted to get this stuff out of my head and into yours.

Thanks for your contribution!

[sureshs]

Originally Posted by jakshemash

Is this what you believe or what you have reasonable proof for. This is because it is quite insulting to Federer as a player that you are saying that he's only doing well because of his racket. Otherwise, based on your statement the minute any tom, dick or harry finds their perfect racket and racket setup then they will be number one and be able to do incredible things with a tennis racket regardless of skill.

He also said that Fed had great potential and a silky technique. That is not the case with Tom, Dick, or Harry.

[BreakPoint]

Originally Posted by fanatic456

Think about it. Fed always had great potential as a youngster. He always had game. BUT, he had no consistency with his ps85 and he could not hit the shots he hits these days. It would be physically impossible with a ps85. He was (back then) just another enjoyable tennis player with silky technique.

Everyone talks about the match in which he beat Sampras at wimbledon as his 'coming of age'. TOTAL CRAP. Look at the match...he's a totally different player now. Back then he was so inconsistent. He played great, but he played a style similar to Sampras back then. He's on a totally new level from Sampras now. And it's got nothing to do with improving his technique.

So Federer beat 7-time and reigning Wimbledon champion Pete Sampras on Centre Court by being "inconsistent" with his PS 6.0 85? Federer played a similar style to Sampras because he was playing on grass, at Wimbledon, where serve and volley play has proven to work pretty well, and he was also trying to take the net away from Sampras by getting there first. That's just smart play. Did you notice that Federer was serving and volleying more than he normally does during last week's Master's Cup in Shanghai? Why? He's practicing for his 3 exhibition matches against Sampras this week in which he knows he'll have to take the net away from Sampras again so that Sampras can't dominate from the net. I've also seen Federer play with his PS 6.0 85 in matches in which he didn't serve and volley much at all but played mostly from the baseline, as he does now, and he was pretty darn consistent.

The biggest change in his game has been mental and attitude. He used to be overly emotional on the court and used to blow up way too often which caused him to lose his concentration and his confidence. Now he remains totally calm, unemotional, focused, and is extremely confident during his matches. That, to me, has been the biggest difference, not his racquet.

[NickOlsen]

And thats why sampras uses it now?

No, I think that a racquet is an intensely personal thing to a pro player. And having it disected by the media and general public is like having a spy-camera in your shower at home.

Thats my $0.02

[AlpineCadet]

Sampras uses the old RF nCode pj racket, which some claim is a retail k90 because it looks identical to one. It's still a matter of opinions since no one has actually come forward with solid evidence.