Karsten Braasch vs. Serena and Venus

[helloworld]

Originally Posted by Bodacious DVT

i think they misunderstood the arguement. the william sisters are men. just kidding of course.

women's tennis is at the same level as men's D1 or D2

on the otherhand, there was that one match were billie jean king played whats his name. i think she won too.

Yeah, it's the famous match between a prime Billie Jean King against a 60-year-old Bobby Riggs. Shouldn't be a surprise who won the match.

[caulcano]

Originally Posted by laschutz

okay, so i'm at work the other day arguing with these idiots

You can't reason with idiots...

[VashTheStampede]

Yeah, this whole "The Williams ought to be playing with the men," theory and so-forth is just one of those ideas created by the media (the kind of media that doesn't really know tennis, you know like that stuff ESPN shows, etc.) It really irked me to hear recently on ESPN in that comparison between Federer and Tony Parker, they said that men's tennis really isn't "hot." Women's tennis is what's hot right now. Yeah, screw men's tennis.
I don't know why the hell those people still have those jobs.

[sureshs]

Originally Posted by sureshs

I can beat the Williams sisters.

But then I would be arrested if I did that.

Originally Posted by Janne

Yeah, you would be called a racist.

OK, I will beat Henin first, then the Williams sisters.

[West Coast Ace]

Originally Posted by Dolphina

On amateur level women can compete with men. I´ve mostly always played with men, and I regularly beat a man, that was 20 years older than me, so in his 40s, often easily 6-2, depending on my form. It was simply because, he sucked at sports.

Picking someone of lesser talent, regardless of gender, is an easy way to chalk up wins. Congratulations!

Originally Posted by illinoisTennis

I brought this and pay topic with my philosophy instructor. She agreed that men and women are physically different and draw comparisons with NBA and WNBA.
She mentioned that women are slowly catching up in strength and stamina.

In regards to equal pay, she says even though WTA players draw less crowd or boring they needed to compensated equally because its about time , she is a feminist.

Good post. I would add there are mental differences too - men, on average, are better competitors. Very few women truly hate to lose like most men, and will 'capitulate' when they're losing.

'Slowly' is very relative. 20 yrs ago they said women would eventually beat men in marathons. Still ain't happening. Even in billiards, where strength is only involved in the break, women can't even get close. In bowling, good amateur men routinely school female pros.

The whole battle of the sexes in sports is just a creation of the left leaning, guilty conscience press. And a lot of women's tennis popularity is based on men being willing to watch attractive women do almost anything. Men would watch two hotties play tennis even if they were ranked in the 50s. Back when she had her tennis playing look (not today's emaciated, pale skinned actress look), Anna Kournikova could have attracted millions to a Pay-Per-View to watch her fold laundry.

[kanjii]

Any of these matches on youtube?? If so, under what search title. I would love to see an exhibition between a man vs woman tennis match...minus the Riggs/King match. I've seen that one already.

[krz]

guys are even better at professional video gaming than girls lol. (CS FTW)

[raiden031]

Originally Posted by Dolphina

On amateur level women can compete with men. I´ve mostly always played with men, and I regularly beat a man, that was 20 years older than me, so in his 40s, often easily 6-2, depending on my form. It was simply because, he sucked at sports. But I also can well compete with my uncles, and with some players my age, and I never had a real trainer, nor do I play very much. I think I would have problems against a guy at my level, and probably be beaten, and that´s what happens in sports, if men compete against women their level, and that´s why they´re separated.
Didn´t Serena say at Wimbly, that she only hits with guys, who can beat her (no top pro players) to prepare for matches. I also remember darkly that she played a fun match against some royal amateur player (who was that again?) at the Laureus awards and lost 7-5 in the third.

There are certainly women who can compete with men below the pro level, but in general, it would take longer for a woman to reach a certain level of tennis than a man. For instance, I often play with a woman who is a strong 3.5 rated player and wins most of her women's league matches. I play men's 3.0 and will win slightly above half of my matches. However when I play against her, I usually beat her pretty easily unless I'm having a very bad day, in which case she might win one set off me if she's lucky. She's played alot more tennis than me over the years, yet because I am superior to her in all athletic qualities, I always beat her. So you can't really say that women can compete with men when you're talking about players with a relatively equal amount of experience or training.

[Mnguyen05]

Originally Posted by GS

You should of googled 'Williams Braasch' beforehand and learned that back in 1998 at the Australian Open, the sisters bragged that they could beat any male ranked around 200, so Karsten Braasch (ranked 203) took the challenge after playing 18 holes of golf, downing a few beers and having a cigarette. He easily beat Serena 6-1 and then Venus 6-2. Later he said he was only half-trying. The sisters then mouthed off and said they could beat any guy ranked around 350....

Don't forget a while back during the beginning of the year, Serena said that she could beat The Federer on her best day. It was on some interview during the Aussie Open, I believe, maybe after the Aussie.

Pssshh!!! She thinks that she can beat the Federer?!?!

[rjkardo]

Originally Posted by GS

You should of googled 'Williams Braasch' beforehand and learned that back in 1998 at the Australian Open, the sisters bragged that they could beat any male ranked around 200, so Karsten Braasch (ranked 203) took the challenge after playing 18 holes of golf, downing a few beers and having a cigarette. He easily beat Serena 6-1 and then Venus 6-2. Later he said he was only half-trying. The sisters then mouthed off and said they could beat any guy ranked around 350....

Braash wrote an article on the subject, you can read it here:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/osm/s...543962,00.html

Rjkardo

[Serve and Volley]

"I'm gonna take him out"

-Serena Williams' brash prediction about playing #203-ranked Karsten Braasch in a "Battle of the sexes" match during the 1998 AO. The bespectacled German, who had played a round of golf earlier in the day, slammed serena 6-1, rubbing it in by smoking cigarettes on changeovers.
Braasch also whacked Venus 6-2 to silence temporarily, the Williams' claim that they could compete on the men's tour.

[ferocious4hand]

this is so old, get over it

[pirateofthecarribean]

Justine also lost badly in battle of sexes the one time she played. No big deal.

[sureshs]

Venus vs Serena is the battle of the sexes?

[Serve and Volley]

Originally Posted by ferocious4hand

this is so old, get over it

I never knew about it. has there been any other threads on this?

[MEAC_ALLAMERICAN]

Originally Posted by Serve and Volley

I never knew about it. has there been any other threads on this?

The SEARCH button works wonders...

But these matches were about 10-12 years ago. You think they are now going to surface?

[Serve and Volley]

Originally Posted by MEAC_ALLAMERICAN

The SEARCH button works wonders...

:

well I just did a search and nothing comes up. I guess the "repeat a thread" police cannot arrest me.

[Kaptain Karl]

<Mod Mode> You should have searched on some relevant terms. I searched "Karsten Venus Serena" and got 24 threads.

I just merged three of them with yours. Now you can see all the previously posted arguments.

(You're welcome.) </Mod Mode>

- KK

[BounceHitBounceHit]

Although my friend is too modest to post this, he (a former DI scholarship player) lead Billie Jean King 5-0 before she 'excused herself' from the court and did not return. He was a HS senior (I think, maybe college freshman) at the time and she was the #1 women's player in the world. CC

[BounceHitBounceHit]

Originally Posted by Mnguyen05

Don't forget a while back during the beginning of the year, Serena said that she could beat The Federer on her best day. It was on some interview during the Aussie Open, I believe, maybe after the Aussie.

Pssshh!!! She thinks that she can beat the Federer?!?!

With all respect to Serena, who is in my opinion a truly phenomenal athlete and gifted tennis player, she would have trouble winning POINTS against FedEx. CC