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Many posters here have mentioned that the ATP site has a lot of mistakes when it comes to things like titles won, or scorelines. I'm starting this thread as a resource for ATP errors on match statistics.
I'll start with a list of published boxscores that all differ with the ATP stats. Last week I ran a search in Lexis-Nexis for boxscores from 1991-2000. I just searched for the term "Total Points Won." I found 7 boxscores. Six had serious discrepancies with the ATP stats on service/return percentages and Total Points Won/Played. I sent an email to the ATP with a list. I can't say that the boxscores are definitely correct, but I do know that the boxscore I had found for the 1992 W final had accurate figures while the ATP did not. I also know that the ATP stats for the 1995 AO final are wrong because they clash with my own counts and ESPN's. On the other hand, while the ATP only agrees with 1 of 7 boxscores I found in that particular search, from time to time I have seen other boxscores that agree with the ATP. Sometimes I've also seen, not entire boxscores, but individual stats that agreed with the ATP (for example, just the first-serve percentages). Occasionally these stats come from television coverage. Also, when we've done our own counts, I can't recall a time when our numbers differed from the ATP stats by a lot. In fact we've done a few matches where our own counts for the total number of points agree with the ATP. We've also come up with slight discrepancies, but with the boxscores we're talking about large differences on things like total points played in the match. Later I’ll make some posts on ATP stats that are look okay. For now let me just list all the boxscores I know about that clash with the ATP stats on service/return percentages and Total Points Won/Played. A list of the matches: Agassi-Ivanisevic, 1992 Wimbledon final Bruguera-Courier, 1993 French Open final Courier-Edberg, 1993 Wimbledon semifinal Sampras-Agassi, 1995 U.S. Open final Krajicek-Washington, 1996 Wimbledon final Sampras-Moya, 1997 Australian Open final Korda-Sampras, 1997 U.S. Open Korda-Rios, 1998 Australian Open final Rafter-Philippoussis, 1998 U.S. Open final And here are the actual boxscores. I've been able just to cut and paste them in here; the boxes are gone but the numbers look readable. Agassi-Ivanisevic, 1992 Wimbledon final. From USA Today, the St. Petersburg Times (Florida), the Gazette (Montreal), and the St. Louis Dispatch: The men's singles championship box score (Agassi wins 6-7 (8-10), 6-4, 6- 4, 1-6, 6-4): Agassi-Ivanisevic Aces 9-37 Double faults 1-7 1st serve percentage 58-58 Pct. 1st serve points won 77-82 Pct. 2nd serve points won 64-50 Service games held 22-22 Break points against 5-16 Service games broken 2-3 Placement winners 49-39 Pct. backcourt points won 57-34 Points won at net 22-41 Total points won 163-159 Time of match 2:50 Bruguera-Courier, 1993 French Open final. From the St. Petersburg Times: How Bruguera won Here is the box score of Sergi Bruguera's 6-4, 2-6, 6-2, 3-6, 6-3 victory over Jim Courier in the men's final at the French Open: Bruguera Courier Aces 7 5 Double faults 2 1 First service % 56 56 Break points won 26 14 Unforced errors 66 83 Forced errors 33 16 Total points won 153 146 Courier-Edberg, 1993 Wimbledon semifinal. From the Miami Herald and the San Jose Mercury News. Source: -- ASSOCIATED PRESS Statistics from Jim Courier's 4-6, 6-4, 6-2, 6-4 victory over Stefan Edberg: Category Courier Edberg Aces 5 4 Double Faults 5 8 1st Serve Percentage 59 66 Pct. 1st Serve Points Won 77 69 Pct. 2nd Serve Points Won 50 31 Service Games Held 15 12 Break Points Against 6 14 Service Games Broken 4 7 Pct. Backcourt Points Won 42 34 Points Won at Net 19 51 Total Points Won 131 113 Time of match: 2 hours, 40 minutes. Published on July 3, 1993, Page 3D, San Jose Mercury News (CA) Sampras-Agassi, 1995 U.S. Open final. The following boxscore appeared in (at least) the St. Petersburg Times and the Salt Lake Tribune: Sampras-Agassi Statistics Date: September 11, 1995 NEW YORK -- Statistics from No. 2 Pete Sampras’ 6-4, 6-3, 4-6, 7-5 victory over No. 1 Andre Agassi for the men’s singles championship of the U.S. Open Sunday: Sampras Agassi Total Points Won 124 112 Aces 24 8 Double Faults 6 5 1st Serve Percentage 54 56 Pct. 1st Serve Points Won 86 70 Pct. 2nd Serve Points Won 54 63 Break Point Conversions 4-8 2-6 Winners (including service) 60 33 Unforced Errors 40 33 Net approaches 43-59 13-20 Time of match 2:28 Krajicek-Washington, 1996 Wimbledon final, 6-3, 6-4, 6-3. From the St. Petersburg Times and the Globe and Mail: By the numbers Kra. Was. 1st serve pct. 58 65 Aces 14 5 Double faults 3 2 1st srv. pts. won+ 88 61 2nd srv. pts. won+ 60 45 Brk. pts. converted 5-11 1-2 Net points won 25-36 21-44 Baseline pts. won 32-60 18-52 Total points won 93 66 Time of match 1:34 +-percentages Sampras-Moya, 1997 Australian Open final, 6-2, 6-3, 6-3. From The Age (Melbourne): Pete Sampras (USA) 6 6 6 Carlos Moya (Spain) 2 3 3 THE MATCH Sampras Moya 1st serve % 72% 63% Aces 12 2 Double faults 2 3 % won on 1st serve 82% 58% % won on 2nd serve 53% 41% Winners 38 13 Unforced errors 22 18 Break-point conversions 100% 50% Net approaches 80% 20% Total points won 89 59 Match time: 1hr 27mins (sets 23, 28, 36) Korda-Sampras, 1997 U.S. Open, 6-7 (4), 7-5, 7-6 (7), 3-6, 7-6 (3). From the New York Daily News: MATCH BOX SCORE Korda Sampras First serve 66% 58% Aces 15 24 Double faults 6 5 First serve points won 78% 75% Second serve points won 60% 50% Winners 67% 58% Unforced errors 45 66 Break points 3-12 4-8 Net approaches 16-23 74-124 Total points won 189 170 Korda-Rios, 1998 Australian Open final, 6-2, 6-2, 6-2. From The Age (Melbourne): THE MATCH Korda Rios 1st serve % 52 58 Aces 4 2 Double faults 4 4 % won on 1st serve 78% 59% % won on 2nd serve 57% 30% Winners 32 7 Unforced errors 26 31 Break point conversions 58% 17% Points won at net 53% 47% Total points won 90 58 Rafter-Philippoussis, 1998 U.S. Open final, 6-3, 3-6, 6-2, 6-0. From the Sydney Morning Herald: US OPEN FINAL STATS Rafter Philippoussis Age 25 21 Seeding 3 unseeded First serve % 72 56 Aces 6 5 Double faults 1 13 Winners 39 34 Unforced errors 5 29 Break pt conversions 6 of 20 1 of 3 Net approaches won 62 of 82 55 of 93 Total points won 118 85 Time of match: Two hours, 4 minutes In every one of these cases, the ATP's aces, doubles, break points and number of service games look okay, or at least they resemble the boxscore figures. The remaining ATP stats are sometimes off by so much that they don't appear to belong to the match in question. Some other discrepancies I've seen: - For Agassi-Sampras, 1995 Australian Open, my own counts contradict the ATP stats on points won/played on service and overall. - For Sampras-Hrbaty, 1997 Australian Open, 4th round (6-7 (7-4) 6-3 6-4 3-6 6-4), The Australian reported that Sampras led Hrbaty in total points by 157-154 (the ATP has 189-184); that Hrbaty led in aces by 20-17 (the ATP has 21-17); and that Hrbaty converted 3 of 10 break points (in agreement with the ATP). Maybe if we get enough people e-mailing the ATP we'll get a response. Last edited by krosero : 10-24-2008 at 05:54 PM. Reason: Rafter-Agassi '01W removed, no discrepancy with ATP |
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