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Old 06-12-2008, 04:51 PM   #261
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Tricky,

This is in response to your critique of the fh/bh about 2 weeks ago? Couldnt reply sooner due to time restraints, and also because of the depth of your critique.. Had me puzzled for days.

I have a few additional questions..

fh-

Could you explain the role of the non dominant hand a little more? How is my fingers actually pointing in relation to the ball vs. someone like federer?

"What you want to do is set up your non-hitting hand with the palm facing the net (and almost perpendicular with the ground), and the pinkie on top. Most ATP players do this today (including Federer), so you may want to see."

^are you refering to the position at the full turn? I took a look at fed vids and I have a hard time seeing the (non dominant hand) palm facing the net at any point during the unit turn.
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I did notice/feel my elbow hooking up quite a bit on the fh nowadays alot more than it used to, Im assuming this is not a good thing?
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bh--

i;ve been working on the motion quite a bit. i'm just curious here. what grips would you recommend? currently i use a continental (r)/ 3/2.75 eastern (l)...



Hope to get some more videos up soon from some more angles. Those videos are actually 2 months old. I just got a camera capable of 240 fps.

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Old 06-12-2008, 06:21 PM   #262
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Sharpy -- I'll reply by e-mail later tonight. I'm, uhhh, kinda distracted now . .. (Boston and Bill Simmons suck it you b#%@#$es!!! )
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Old 06-12-2008, 06:40 PM   #263
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no problem.. just make sure you're not high this time when you write

"4) If you're using a gravity step (recognizing that you have to go backwards), then instead of stepping out with that fat, you plan on that it. So, for example, if you need to go left but away from country, you turn with the left hip, you turn the left foot, and then you drive off the left foot."
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Old 06-27-2008, 03:49 PM   #264
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Ok tricky,

i've got some newer videos of serve..im afraid the motion may need lots of work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pow3H6XBS7w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8eag...eature=related

let me know what you think... if you need stills just ask, it'll take some time but i'll get it if you need it.

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Old 06-27-2008, 08:55 PM   #265
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tricky?.................
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Old 06-27-2008, 10:06 PM   #266
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I'll send you something by end of w/end. (In the back video clip, you kinda this look back at the camera of quiet desperation. Like "what IS this?!?" ) We'll just rebuild the windup from the ground up.
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I'll send you something by end of w/end. (In the back video clip, you kinda this look back at the camera of quiet desperation. Like "what IS this?!?" ) We'll just rebuild the windup from the ground up.
10 charr....

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Old 07-08-2008, 04:00 PM   #268
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Still writing it. It's about 3000 words right now.
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Still writing it. It's about 3000 words right now.
Awesome. Thanks. Could you put an autograph on it when you're done? (just kidding)
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Tricky,

Quick question here not related to serves but related to slingshot fh..

Been trying to fix the fh problem and I was thinking about you saying the pronation near the height of takeback is not done by "twist of the wrist"

This is a little confusing though. If the pronation isnt done by a twist of the wrist, how is it done? It definately isnt done by a "twist of the forearm" as I tried.

I admit im still doing the twist of the wrist to intiate the pronation/racket turn.

The problem is theres only 2 ways I can think of the racket turn can be completed

1. twisting the wrist near height of takeback
2. twisting the forearm?

Just finished looking at some fed fhs and his racket turn/pronation seems similar but just slightly different than what im doing right now.
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Just finished looking at some fed fhs and his racket turn/pronation seems similar but just slightly different than what im doing right now.
It's kind of an essay on the tennis windup. The key thing is that, in the windup, the center of gravity must go forward through all stages of the windup. And that's really hard to pick up from just looking at other video footage.

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The problem is theres only 2 ways I can think of the racket turn can be completed
1. twisting the wrist near height of takeback
2. twisting the forearm?
Say you wanted to turn a thumbs up to a thumbs down.

1) You can do this by leading with the thumb. That would be twisting by wrist.

2) You can do this by turning around the elbow. That would be twisting by forearm.

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Just finished looking at some fed fhs and his racket turn/pronation seems similar but just slightly different than what im doing right now.
I think it might be easier if you properly visualize the non-hitting arm as we discussed before. The hitting arm will usually follow in kind after that. You were really, really close that time, but the mismatch of the non-hitting arm and the hitting arm threw off your timing.
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Say you wanted to turn a thumbs up to a thumbs down.

1) You can do this by leading with the thumb. That would be twisting by wrist.

2) You can do this by turning around the elbow. That would be twisting by forearm.

I think it might be easier if you properly visualize the non-hitting arm as we discussed before. The hitting arm will usually follow in kind after that. You were really, really close that time, but the mismatch of the non-hitting arm and the hitting arm threw off your timing.
Yea, but non-hitting arm aside, what is the proper method to initiate the racket turn? a twist of the forearm? a twist of the wrist? or something else?
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ea, but non-hitting arm aside, what is the proper method to initiate the racket turn? a twist of the forearm? a twist of the wrist? or something else?
From the forearm. You should feel no tension in the arm as you do it. Also, the non-hitting arm will help you in that (non-hitting arm kinda works as a mirror.)
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From the forearm. You should feel no tension in the arm as you do it. Also, the non-hitting arm will help you in that (non-hitting arm kinda works as a mirror.)
Yea when I do a the twist around forearm i feel alot of tension in the arm. why?? Feels much looser when i do a twist around the wrist.

Could you go into a little more detail about the twist around the forearm for the fh?
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Old 07-09-2008, 12:45 AM   #275
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Sharpy -- When you take back, do you feel most of your weight on your back foot and feel a strong stretch with your right hip? Or do you feel your weight is pretty evenly distributed between both feet?
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