Nptr rating

[Ballinbob]

Originally Posted by slicekick95

first of all we are talking about 4.5 KIDS, not adults, adults are much stronger and more developed, so a 4.5 adult would and should beat a 4.5 kid. But their skill level and technique would be about the same!! and stop posting vids and links of 5.5's and 6.0's, i was talking about how 4.0-4.5 isnt amazing for a 14 year old. and yeah theres no way a 4.0 cud beat a 5.5, so stop posting vids of 5.5 6.0 players!!!!!!

I forgot to mention that you can't reciveve NTRP rating until your 18 (90% sure thats how it works). Ranking system for juniors is different. If a 14 year old "4.5" has the same technique of an adult 4.5, that doesn't matter too much. If their footwork is terrible and they're mentally unstable (which is often the case for 14 year olds), then they cant compete at that level. That's IF they have the same technique. 4.5 is damn good, and you would be one hell of a tennis player if your playing that level at such a young age!

[slicekick95]

Originally Posted by Ballinbob

I forgot to mention that you can't reciveve NTRP rating until your 18 (90% sure thats how it works). Ranking system for juniors is different. If a 14 year old "4.5" has the same technique of an adult 4.5, that doesn't matter too much. If their footwork is terrible and they're mentally unstable (which is often the case for 14 year olds), then they cant compete at that level. That's IF they have the same technique. 4.5 is damn good, and you would be one hell of a tennis player if your playing that level at such a young age!

u can get a ntrp rating before u turn 18, ur just not judged by it. and a true kid 4.5 does have good footwork. a 14 year old 4.5 with great skill, technique, and footwork would still lose to a 30 year old 4.5 with great skill, technique, and footwork

[Tim Oosting]

Originally Posted by Ballinbob

Just by that post you show how little you know about tennis. USTA website gives very VAGUE and General guide lines. These players here are true 5.5 and 6.0. Look at this vid and tell me that your 13 year old friends play even close to Santo in this vid, who is a 5.5.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H62f6Z3-3_o

also go back and watch tonlars play, hes a good example of a 5.5

I'm not 13, i'm 16 years old, but i think the guys in the vid arent very impressive... I play guys that i feel are quite a lot better..

[region2champion]

Originally Posted by Ballinbob

I forgot to mention that you can't reciveve NTRP rating until your 18 (90% sure thats how it works). Ranking system for juniors is different. If a 14 year old "4.5" has the same technique of an adult 4.5, that doesn't matter too much. If their footwork is terrible and they're mentally unstable (which is often the case for 14 year olds), then they cant compete at that level. That's IF they have the same technique. 4.5 is damn good, and you would be one hell of a tennis player if your playing that level at such a young age!

Where do you live, like Arkansas cause obviously you've never seen a good Florida junior. Everything you're saying about strong juniors from real tennis states is wrong.

[10isDad]

Originally Posted by region2champion

Where do you live, like Arkansas cause obviously you've never seen a good Florida junior. Everything you're saying about strong juniors from real tennis states is wrong.

Wow! That's pretty strong. "real tennis states"? and to 'dis Arkansas like that. You'd best hope you don't meet up w/ any Arkansas folks in person - they're liable to give you a physical beat-down.

Y'all need to just can the NTRP talk. It really makes absolutely no difference in the juniors. NTRP is simply tennis' way of handicapping the sport, similar to golf. In tennis, the aim is to put similar skill-level adult players together.

The big thing to remember is that NTRP is a self-rating system and the descriptions of the levels cause juniors to generally overrate themselves anyway when they try to apply it. With adults, it often goes the opposite way - many want to underrate themselves so they play weaker opponents to win more often.

You could have wonderful stroke technique, great footwork, have all the spins, etc... The descriptive analysis would say that you're a 4.5 or above. BUT, you could be a total moron when it comes down to how to play the bloody game. You can have all the 4.5 levels strokes and still get clobbered by players claiming to be 3.5.

[raiden031]

Originally Posted by slicekick95

u can get a ntrp rating before u turn 18, ur just not judged by it. and a true kid 4.5 does have good footwork. a 14 year old 4.5 with great skill, technique, and footwork would still lose to a 30 year old 4.5 with great skill, technique, and footwork

You don't know what you're talking about. By definition, a 4.5 is a 4.5 across the same gender. The only time one 4.5 is not intended to be as good as another 4.5, is when comparing men to women.

But a junior 4.5 and adult 4.5 is the same as long as they presumably fit into the same end of the spectrum (ie. an upper 4.5 junior should be competitive with an upper 4.5 adult, and an upper 4.5 junior should beat a lower 4.5 adult).

There is an issue with junior NTRP ratings because juniors don't have computer-ratings, but it is NOT VALID to say that someone is a certain NTRP unless they CAN COMPETE with computer-rated players at that NTRP.

[region2champion]

Originally Posted by 10isDad

Wow! That's pretty strong. "real tennis states"? and to 'dis Arkansas like that. You'd best hope you don't meet up w/ any Arkansas folks in person - they're liable to give you a physical beat-down.

Y'all need to just can the NTRP talk. It really makes absolutely no difference in the juniors. NTRP is simply tennis' way of handicapping the sport, similar to golf. In tennis, the aim is to put similar skill-level adult players together.

The big thing to remember is that NTRP is a self-rating system and the descriptions of the levels cause juniors to generally overrate themselves anyway when they try to apply it. With adults, it often goes the opposite way - many want to underrate themselves so they play weaker opponents to win more often.

You could have wonderful stroke technique, great footwork, have all the spins, etc... The descriptive analysis would say that you're a 4.5 or above. BUT, you could be a total moron when it comes down to how to play the bloody game. You can have all the 4.5 levels strokes and still get clobbered by players claiming to be 3.5.

You are right

[Ballinbob]

Originally Posted by region2champion

You are right

Give me a break. He tells you that if the player is mentally unstable he will loose to a true 3.5 player, which is pretty much exactly what I said earlier yet you still argue with me. Also, raiden is 100% right with all he said. Go read his post, Im not going to waste my time with someone as ignorant as you. A 4.5 is a 4.5, there should be no difference between a 4.5 14 year old and 20 year old. NONE. Doesn't matter if their older, a 4.5 is a defined level and is the same across the board.

Oosting, if your playing with better players than in that particular vid then your playing with pros. Anybody above a 6.0 has an ATP ranking. Oh and if you didn't realize, those guys are hitting 120mph serves (Marsuiz is for sure) and are hitting alot harder than the vid indicates. Vid always slows things down a bit. Kinda like a Roddick serve. A 150mph serve is different on tv than in person

[Noaler]

If I'm a 3.5, then I think people around 50s in fourteen's are 4.0. So I would think that a 5.0 would be very amazing thats like top 50 national.

[region2champion]

Originally Posted by Ballinbob

Give me a break. He tells you that if the player is mentally unstable he will loose to a true 3.5 player, which is pretty much exactly what I said earlier yet you still argue with me. Also, raiden is 100% right with all he said. Go read his post, Im not going to waste my time with someone as ignorant as you. A 4.5 is a 4.5, there should be no difference between a 4.5 14 year old and 20 year old. NONE. Doesn't matter if their older, a 4.5 is a defined level and is the same across the board.

Oosting, if your playing with better players than in that particular vid then your playing with pros. Anybody above a 6.0 has an ATP ranking. Oh and if you didn't realize, those guys are hitting 120mph serves (Marsuiz is for sure) and are hitting alot harder than the vid indicates. Vid always slows things down a bit. Kinda like a Roddick serve. A 150mph serve is different on tv than in person

I NEVER argued with any of that. All I said was I know some 4.5-5.0 14's. Which I do, and maybe you would see if you actually saw some good juniors down here in Florida.

[Noaler]

Then they must be national players.

[CAM178]

Who really care what someone's NTRP rating is? It has no bearing on tennis, how good you are, or what you want to do. The only time it matters is when you are trying to play in a rated league or tournament, and even then, most everyone is lying about their rating.

Just focus on your tennis and get as good as you can. Don't worry about distractions like this (NTRP).

[region2champion]

Originally Posted by Noaler

Then they must be national players.

Oh they are

[JakeHCoker]

To be fair I don't think you can rate this off age. I know some little kids who compete with high schoolers. I believe there are young 5.0s

[RestockingTues]

Take it easy on slicekick95 guys, first of all, he's a little kid. He's only twelve; barely out of elementary school, barely through with wetting his pants, barely getting STARTED on handling his temper tantrums, barely getting over how mommy made his morning cereal in a way he didn't want. All he has is this thread, let him say what he wants; we're mature enough to handle his troll feeding.

[slicekick95]

how am i troll feeding, me n ballinbob just had a disagreement, and i see his point of view, i just disagree. no1's insult n e 1, so can u not insult me for no good reason

[Trevor]

Originally Posted by Tim Oosting

I'm not 13, i'm 16 years old, but i think the guys in the vid arent very impressive... I play guys that i feel are quite a lot better..

Do yourself a favor, quit while your still in the green.