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Connors turned himself into an enemy with the Wim crowd that year 1977, when he missed the Centenary parade on the first day, to train on another court with Nastase. The thumb injury (not on the racket hand, only problem was the dh) was made a big deal by the press, but it didn't hamper Connors that much. In the final Connors started on the highest gear. Gordon Forbes in his book described it as self destructive. He couldn't hold his form, and surged back only late in the fourth. Borg then ran away with a 4-0 lead,only to have connors climbing back. Borg himself said, that a Connors double at 4 all in the fifth was the last turning point, because Connors gave away the momentum.
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I've gone back to get more stats; and I've made some minor corrections to my original work in the first two posts.
Borg won 142 points overall, Connors 138. That’s a total of 280 points – exactly the same as their ’76 USO final, and just six points short of their ’77 W final. SERVICE Borg won 82 of 138 points on serve (59%). He won 47 of 68 on first serve (69%) and 35 of 70 on second (50%). Connors won 82 of 142 points on serve (58%). He won 71 of 119 on first serve (60%) and 11 of 23 on second (48%). Borg served at 49%, making 68 of 138 first serves. Connors served at 84%, making 119 of 142 first serves. Borg’s service percentage by set: 10/23 (43%) 13/30 (43%) 13/25 (52%) 10/18 (56%) 22/42 (52%) Connors’ service percentage by set: 16/18 (89%) 41/48 (85%) 19/22 (86%) 15/20 (75%) 28/34 (82%) I have Connors making 22 of 24 first serves in the marathon game in the second set, when he was broken for the first time (so SI got that one right, not the Post). Borg converted 7 of 22 break points, Connors 6 of 12. Borg got his first serve into play on 5 of 12 break points, or 42%. He was broken twice on first serve and four times on second. Connors got his first serve into play on 20 of 22 break points, or 91%. Every time he was broken it was on first serve. Borg drew 17 return errors, Connors 14. Out of all those serves I judged just one (by Borg) a service winner. ERRORS (forced and unforced) Subtracting the winners and aces from the total points won: Borg made 89 total errors. Of those I counted 14 return errors and 4 double-faults. That leaves him making 71 errors in exchanges with at least a successful return, ie, in rallies. Connors made 96 total errors. Of those I counted 17 return errors and 2 double-faults. That leaves him making 77 errors in rallies. And SI's report: Quote:
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Great work krosero and Moose! Fascinating. And I always studiously read all your stat-breakdowns no matter who the match-up includes -- although you always pick cherries IMO. Now, if someone could break down the Wimby 76 F cause that would be bliss...
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And check-out Connors first-serve percentage! "Weak serve", yeah, I wish I was so weak in the serve...
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Some interesting differences between '77 and '81.
I think I enjoyed '77 better. In '81 there are two sets in which someone is playing poorly enough to get bageled. In '77 Connors had 62 winners, 14 more than in '81. Borg had 30 winners both years, though on top of that in '81 he also had 16 aces, twice his number from '77. But his service percentage was down by 8 points. His aces helped him hold in '81 but he might have had faced fewer break points with a higher percentage. You gain something, you lose something: overall he was broken 6 times in both matches (though he served two more games in '77). I was looking for the wide serve to Connors' BH that Borg hit so well in '78 and also in '77, but I thought in '81 he was hitting it less often and less effectively. Connors' service percentage was 14 points higher in '81 than 'in 77 -- because he was spinning his first serve in so much. As with Borg his overall success is about the same. He got broken 7 times out of 20 service games, compared to 9 out of 23 in '77. Still, '77 has more winners (from Connors, whose strength was winners) and more consistency from Borg (the Swede's strength). In '81, even in the sets he won, Borg is occasionally making relatively simple errors. On a break point he earned early in the fifth set, he dumped a short ball into the tape with his FH, a stroke that misfired a few other times. Overall I'd rank their '77 final as their greatest match at W. It's tough for me to rank it above their '76 USO final, but that's a question for another day. Last edited by krosero : 11-18-2008 at 06:07 PM. |
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I really like the 81 SF better than the 77 final -- actually because of the bagels. When did it ever happen that two players of their stature produced two bagels -- let alone that level of play especially in the fifth with such supreme quality play? I don't think neither of them played mediocre in the bagel sets either. I think (maybe completely subjective on my part?) Jimbo was little off late in the second and third set in 77 while in the 81 SF the level of play didn't dip below the very good level.
And throw into the mix that Borg came back from 0-2 it has some major drama to it. And I love how Jimbo comes out directly in the first set knocking five-time winner Borg out of the ring like a Lee Marvin hitman. And then Borg puts on his own Lee Marvin hitman hat and the sparks fly for three hours plus. It saddened me (and I'm a Borg guy!) that Connors lost in the end after such a stunning display of grass-court mastery (albeit mostly from the baseline). Jimbo's loss here actually hurt me so much that when Connors won Wimby in 82 both my dad and I jumped up cheering from our chairs in unison with Jimbo on the TV after match-point... Tennis is cruel but sometimes get it right... Last edited by Borgforever : 11-21-2008 at 09:12 PM. |
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Didnt Connors always dictate play in their matches. Make more winners but also more errors.
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Also very important to remember regarding their later rivalry match-ups was the fact that Borg was even faster than in their earlier confrontations. This meant that Connors, who was a groundie-winner King, had to produce a lot more winning shots since Björn would often chase down an ordinarily successful Connors winner-stroke and give it back with interest. This pressured Jimbo to hit another stunning winner. Only Borg could catch Connors' bullet-groundies so often. One can see a similarity here between Fed and Rafa -- El Reloj Suizo (that's what the Spanish call Fed: "The Swiss Watch" -- because of his remarkable precision and consistency) hits missiles that usually against any other player on the planet would be instant winners -- but Rafa is faster than anyone so he chases them down forcing Fed to come up with another zinger -- and another zinger -- until he makes an error. No-one can hit 10 normal super-winners in a row. So Borg forced Connors to miss -- with his cheetah speed. Or he would smoke a winner himself... |
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But if you count aces as winners then Connors' lead in this '81 match shrinks to 49-46. If you include aces at the '81 USO, Borg leads 30-22. Last edited by krosero : 12-01-2008 at 06:53 AM. |
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Borg 50% on first serve (21/42) and 47% on second (28/59). Connors 55% on first serve (58/106) and 47% on second (9/19). Borg is winning exactly half of the time when his 1st serve is returned, but less than half when his second serve is returned. Altogether, then, he's winning just 49% of the time when his serve is returned (49 of 101 points). Connors' overall figure is a little higher, at 54% (winning 67 of 125 points). Clearly what pulled Borg ahead of Connors was his service, which gave him 33 “free points” compared to 15 for Connors. Last edited by krosero : 10-30-2011 at 05:12 PM. |
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This match obviously had wild swings from set to set. Looking at totals for the whole match doesn't tell any individual piece of the story. So let's just have a look at the last set.
Success on serve in the fifth set (all points): Borg 68% on first serve (15/22) and 60% on second (12/20). Connors 64% on first serve (18/28 ) and 67% on second (4/6). And now the fifth set, counting only rallies of 2 or more good shots (the serve being the first shot): Borg 50% on first serve (7/14) and 61% on second (11/18 ). Connors 60% on first serve (15/25) and 60% on second (3/5). None of the figures on first serve are that much different in the fifth set, compared to the figures on 1st serve for the match as a whole. But the figures on second serve are pretty good, in the fifth set. It's really a little surprising, especially when the second serves were returned: both players are above 60%. If you think about it, neither player had an imposing second serve. They had sometimes long rallies, and yet their second serve seems to have retained its effectiveness in determining the outcome of points. And both of them were great returners. You can understand if a first serve, even returned, can throw the receiver off balance just enough for the server to end up winning the rally. But a second serve? Against a good returner? Even in rallies of some length? You would expect after 3 or 4 hits in a rally, the effectiveness of the second serve would no longer be there. Granted, the number of second serves in the fifth set was not that large. Connors in particular started just 5 rallies with his second serve, and he won 3, so he's up at 60%. But Borg winning 11 of 18 rallies started with his second serve seems more significant. |
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Here's a study I found some weeks ago at Jeff Sackmann's blog, Heavy Topspin. He used data from the first 3 Slams of 2011. He found that while serves, obviously, confer an advantage upon the server, the advantage dissipates in long rallies. The exception he found was on grass. At Wimbledon, the server of a rally is still more likely to win the point than the receiver even when up to 14 shots have been made in the rally.
This is the study: http://heavytopspin.com/2011/08/17/h...dvantage-last/ And the follow-up, dividing the data into 1st and 2nd serve: http://heavytopspin.com/2011/10/14/s...second-serves/ |
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