Why do so many opponents call out when the ball strikes the line? - Page 3

Cindysphinx · 05-14-2009, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim A

Last night I found out after my match that I called a couple balls in that were a good deal behind the baseline, but being on the run, then losing that focus had no other choice..didn't hurt me so..no loss

Yeah, what's with the spectators who come up to you later and say, "You called a lot of balls in that were out. You should pay more attention."

Um . . . if you're giving benefit of the doubt, that's unavoidable, right?

Ronaldo · 05-14-2009, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Cindysphinx

Yeah, what's with the spectators who come up to you later and say, "You called a lot of balls in that were out. You should pay more attention."

Um . . . if you're giving benefit of the doubt, that's unavoidable, right?

Nah, at our club guys will say, "That guy is hooking you on every close call." Then they tell the other guy the same thing. Magpies, Heckle and Jeckle

pabletion · 05-15-2009, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Cindysphinx

Yeah, what's with the spectators who come up to you later and say, "You called a lot of balls in that were out. You should pay more attention."

Um . . . if you're giving benefit of the doubt, that's unavoidable, right?

Hmm interesting, but Ronaldo has a good point. I on the other hand, only take credibility from friends who might tell me that, that I know wont be messing with me. I has happened to me: on a match point, a friend went for the lob against the guy on the net, the ball landed a couple of inches out, and I thought I saw it clearly. My friend was really upset the guy called it out, thinking he got robbed. My brother, who was next to me on the other hand, saw it in

. So for the guy who lost, my friend, it might have been more upseting that we got kinda involved on it, cause my brother said from outside the court: "that was in!". Sometimes when trying to help you do more harm

So if asked, I find its better to say "I wasnt looking"; only when things are really goin outta hand, with a full-throttle line thief will I get involved if a friend is getting ripped off.

Ronaldo · 05-15-2009, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by pabletion

Hmm interesting, but Ronaldo has a good point. I on the other hand, only take credibility from friends who might tell me that, that I know wont be messing with me. I has happened to me: on a match point, a friend went for the lob against the guy on the net, the ball landed a couple of inches out, and I thought I saw it clearly. My friend was really upset the guy called it out, thinking he got robbed. My brother, who was next to me on the other hand, saw it in

. So for the guy who lost, my friend, it might have been more upseting that we got kinda involved on it, cause my brother said from outside the court: "that was in!". Sometimes when trying to help you do more harm

So if asked, I find its better to say "I wasnt looking"; only when things are really goin outta hand, with a full-throttle line thief will I get involved if a friend is getting ripped off.

Always fun to play USTA League matches as a visitor with a hostile crowd. Everyone's a line judge and questions every call. At least in doubles you can question their partner.

Winners or Errors · 05-15-2009, 12:25 PM

I think there are very few people out there who will call a ball out that they saw as in. If I can see court color between the ball and the line, it's out. I agree that the faster the ball is moving the more difficult it is to see. Also, perspective can screw it up. Bottom line, we're all just there to play and have fun.

Last time I disagreed with my partner on a close serve, we ended up giving the server two serves. No hard feelings at the end of that match.

Racer41c · 05-15-2009, 02:31 PM

I know this is rediculous Racer stuff, but here's what I do. On the first call that I see where it's close I see how the other players make the call and react to the call. I can almost tell who's going to be a problem and who isn't. At the first opportunity after that I appeal to the nobler motive of honesty. Something like an out call that is really out I'll say "good call" or if there's one I'm 50/50 on I'll give them the point and let them know it was close.

If it goes south I'll call one of theirs out. If they say anything my answer is "yeah, we have the same umpire".

hrstrat57 · 05-15-2009, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mick

the rule should be: if you don't see it out then it is in.

To be even more clear.....if you do not see clear space between the ball and the outside edge of the line or the deep edge of the service or baseline you call the ball in.

Simple.

Winners or Errors · 05-15-2009, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by hrstrat57

To be even more clear.....if you do not see clear space between the ball and the outside edge of the line or the deep edge of the service or baseline you call the ball in.

Simple.

Agreed. Out is out. In is in.

Steady Eddy · 05-15-2009, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronaldo

Nah, at our club guys will say, "That guy is hooking you on every close call." Then they tell the other guy the same thing. Magpies, Heckle and Jeckle

That's a really evil idea!

v205 · 05-15-2009, 04:53 PM

If you are closest to the ball and you are not sure either way. Play it as IN.

LuckyR · 05-15-2009, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Racer41c

I know this is rediculous Racer stuff, but here's what I do. On the first call that I see where it's close I see how the other players make the call and react to the call. I can almost tell who's going to be a problem and who isn't. At the first opportunity after that I appeal to the nobler motive of honesty. Something like an out call that is really out I'll say "good call" or if there's one I'm 50/50 on I'll give them the point and let them know it was close.

If it goes south I'll call one of theirs out. If they say anything my answer is "yeah, we have the same umpire".

Good line!!!

investorofmercy · 05-15-2009, 07:35 PM

I have only had ONLY 1 person that I felt was hooking me on purpose...Everything that hit a line....even drop shots, he called out. After the match, he told me that he called them that way because he though I was hooking him....weird....all perception. I filed a grievance to no avail. If I am not 100% sure that a ball is out, I play it....PERIOD! When I am serving, about half of the balls I serve that I see 2-6 inches out are not called out. I TRULY believe that 99.9% of the people are honest with calls. The ones that I think missed calls, truly beleive that they made the right call.

Sometimes people have no clue...they have not been properly calibrated. With that I mean that, at practice, whenever there is a close call, we all talk about it and make sure that we are all in agreement. sometimes we find that 1 guy might have been miscalibrated by 2-3 inches....It happens. But it's all good.

Ronaldo · 05-16-2009, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Steady Eddy

That's a really evil idea!

And these are the people I call friends. The ones you can depend on?

deltox · 05-16-2009, 09:21 AM

in my games during league play i use the real rules, if i cant call it out i play the ball, but many times i play a ball and my opponent stops and watches me hit a shot right by him. he then says omg dude, the ball was out. wtf.. and gets upset, its a lose lose situation

Ronaldo · 05-16-2009, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by deltox

in my games during league play i use the real rules, if i cant call it out i play the ball, but many times i play a ball and my opponent stops and watches me hit a shot right by him. he then says omg dude, the ball was out. wtf.. and gets upset, its a lose lose situation

Yeah, like he lost the point twice.

Figjam · 05-16-2009, 07:31 PM

Ok how about another twist, on this..
according to the rules as far as I know, the oppenent gets to make the calls on his side... So theoretically a ball could be in the middle of the court and still be called out...
Which got me thinking... what if one guy calls a ball in the middle of the court "out" then the other guy does the same thing to get even and they continue this on every point... how would one of them win?

Ronaldo · 05-16-2009, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Figjam

Ok how about another twist, on this..
according to the rules as far as I know, the oppenent gets to make the calls on his side... So theoretically a ball could be in the middle of the court and still be called out...
Which got me thinking... what if one guy calls a ball in the middle of the court "out" then the other guy does the same thing to get even and they continue this on every point... how would one of them win?

The last man standing cuz somebody's going down. And saw this in dubs. Guy calls the ball out. Guy serves the next ball in the middle of the box, it is out. Serves agin, it is outski. He and his partner and everyone watching gets the point. They take one, you take two.

GuyClinch · 05-17-2009, 09:14 AM

Lots of hooking when I played USTA league tennis. It's very dishonest. But so is tournament play - if its not being officiated (obviously).

I actually tried to change my game up and go for less so players would feel less guilty about hooking. I'd say that the players that don't experience any hooking are likely playing up at a higher level of tennis then I was.

I supsect most good players don't really feel the need to hook because they have confidence in their game. Raiden plays what in the 5.0s? Am I right?

tonyg11 · 05-17-2009, 09:56 AM

at a tournament you call a line judge. Simple solution.

At some club match, well never in my life have i had someone cheat me on purpose when there was nothing at stake. An honest mistake here and there is no big deal.

canadave · 05-17-2009, 12:54 PM

I think the other thing that hasn't been brought up yet is, how many times does one or two close line calls determine a match? It's pretty rare.

When I play a match, I can usually tell if the ball I hit was out or in, 99% of the time. There are a few that I have no clue, and have to rely on my opponent to make the correct (and honest) call. If he decides to cheat me on all of them (which I've never yet run into)....? Well, even so, most matches aren't SO close that those calls will make a win into a loss, or vice versa. And if he's honest, and just misses a few calls...well, he'll likely honestly miss a couple of calls in your favour, too, so theoretically it should even out.

And if there is a match that hinges on a couple of line calls....well, if the match is important enough to really care about in the grand scheme of life, then there'd be linesmen and umpires present, right?

05-15-2009, 12:25 PM	#45
Winners or Errors Professional Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,036	I think there are very few people out there who will call a ball out that they saw as in. If I can see court color between the ball and the line, it's out. I agree that the faster the ball is moving the more difficult it is to see. Also, perspective can screw it up. Bottom line, we're all just there to play and have fun. Last time I disagreed with my partner on a close serve, we ended up giving the server two serves. No hard feelings at the end of that match. __________________ I have come to the conclusion that I simply don't know what I don't know.

05-15-2009, 02:31 PM	#46
Racer41c Semi-Pro Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 747	I know this is rediculous Racer stuff, but here's what I do. On the first call that I see where it's close I see how the other players make the call and react to the call. I can almost tell who's going to be a problem and who isn't. At the first opportunity after that I appeal to the nobler motive of honesty. Something like an out call that is really out I'll say "good call" or if there's one I'm 50/50 on I'll give them the point and let them know it was close. If it goes south I'll call one of theirs out. If they say anything my answer is "yeah, we have the same umpire". __________________ UBU "Mr. Badger, I belive we've found the grail!" Well maybe it's just a couple of Donnay x-dual Golds with gut hybrids ;-)

05-15-2009, 04:53 PM	#50
v205 Semi-Pro Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 523	If you are closest to the ball and you are not sure either way. Play it as IN. __________________ Long term: Max200g (then a 20+ year break...) Now: KBlade Tour Didn't work: AG100, Donnay P1 Int.

05-16-2009, 09:21 AM	#54
deltox Hall Of Fame Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: NC, USA Posts: 2,642	in my games during league play i use the real rules, if i cant call it out i play the ball, but many times i play a ball and my opponent stops and watches me hit a shot right by him. he then says omg dude, the ball was out. wtf.. and gets upset, its a lose lose situation __________________ TCG Tourney Series NC, SC, VA www.tristatemastersseries.com

05-17-2009, 12:54 PM	#60
canadave Professional Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Beach Meadows, Nova Scotia, Canada Posts: 930	I think the other thing that hasn't been brought up yet is, how many times does one or two close line calls determine a match? It's pretty rare. When I play a match, I can usually tell if the ball I hit was out or in, 99% of the time. There are a few that I have no clue, and have to rely on my opponent to make the correct (and honest) call. If he decides to cheat me on all of them (which I've never yet run into)....? Well, even so, most matches aren't SO close that those calls will make a win into a loss, or vice versa. And if he's honest, and just misses a few calls...well, he'll likely honestly miss a couple of calls in your favour, too, so theoretically it should even out. And if there is a match that hinges on a couple of line calls....well, if the match is important enough to really care about in the grand scheme of life, then there'd be linesmen and umpires present, right? __________________ 1 x Gamma Tour 330X w/WeissCannon Silverstring (1.20) @ 59 lbs