drama & women's tennis - Page 2

TheShaun · 05-23-2009, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Topaz

Cindy, Alice, and I are playing tennis and having fun.

Cindy is sharing her experiences. Many others feel the need to judge and draw negative conclusions from that...others don't. *shrug* Doesn't mean we're not playing tennis and having fun.

Sorry Topaz, it was meant as a general statement and not aimed at anyone in particular. Please don't read it as aimed at the three of you.

Topaz · 05-23-2009, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by TheShaun

Sorry Topaz, it was meant as a general statement and not aimed at anyone in particular. Please don't read it as aimed at the three of you.

Ahhh, no problem Shaun! I went into defensive mode, I guess, since I've heard there have been some ugly posts.

Yeah, it would be nice if everyone just did go out, have fun, play by the rules.

As is often mentioned in other threads, I think the people who don't necessarily play by the rules most of the time...don't know the rules. It usually, in my experience, isn't because of some kind of badly intentioned gamesmanship.

But then, I also think, in Cindy's last post (where the team hid in the bathroom), that that kind of stuff is what takes the joy and fun out of it sometimes. We must not let them do that!!!

TheShaun · 05-23-2009, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Topaz

But then, I also think, in Cindy's last post (where the team hid in the bathroom), that that kind of stuff is what takes the joy and fun out of it sometimes. We must not let them do that!!!

I didn't see that post, but that's just childish! That goes beyond drama. Do these people have the mentality of 10 year olds?

TheShaun · 05-23-2009, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Cindysphinx

There is drama in men's tennis also. Probably from the same Dudes who cause trouble here at TT. I find it difficult to believe some of the more bothersome personalities around here are able to morph into Proper Gentlemen Who Have Been Raised Right as soon as they log off. Nah, I think they're probably jerks during most of their waking hours.

Can't believe I missed this the first time through. Can't put it any better than that. Well said, Cindy!

Topaz · 05-23-2009, 09:26 AM

Ok, I won't put the whole match wrap-up in here, but just bullet the drama:

opposing captain turns line-up in late
opposing captain (who I was playing) late on court
opposing captain hooks me on about 10 calls (proud that I kept my cool though)...not sure if she meant it, or just that bad at calling lines
OP 'forgets' first set score (in her favor)
OP 'forgets' second set score (in her favor)
It becomes necessary for me to walk and talk her through the 3rd set TB

So, again, ugh...but I knew of her beforehand, so I was a bit mentally prepared, and didn't let it get to me, but was quite adamant in correcting her score mistakes, and started writing down so she could see it. Which, Cindy, amuses me...because I guess she makes her players write the score, but she wasn't doing it herself???

They were literally shouting for her at the desk because the whistle blew, we were on court, and they didn't have her line-up yet!!!

Cindysphinx · 05-23-2009, 11:31 AM

I will do my match wrap-up in the form of a multiple choice question so that all will understand the nature of the problem.

Q: If you are serving against opponents with heavy topspin groundstrokes, where should your partner position throughout the point so as to *increase* the chances that you will lose your serve?

A. Four feet from the net.
B. Two steps in front of the service line.
C. Halfway between the service line and baseline.
D. At the baseline.
.
.
.
.
.
.

Got your answer yet?

The correct answer is C, halfway between the baseline and service line.

I . . . I didn't even know what to do! Standing in no-man's land like that when your partner is serving seems calculated to make sure your opponents face no pressure on their returns but always have an easy out if they get into trouble because they can bounce it off of your shoetops. It's not like she started the match at the net and they blasted her so she felt like she needed to retreat. No, this is the way she positions in doubles.

Now, I will sometimes position a few feet back of the service line if my partner is struggling with keeping her return away from the net person, but I will immediately close to second volley position as soon as her ball makes it past the net person. I have to hustle, but I can do it. Or I will retreat to the baseline if she pops it up to the net person. I cannot even think of a time when I felt I needed to start the point on my partner's serve from anywhere other than in the service box.

The impact of my partner hanging around in no man's land throughout the match was that they spun the ball to her feet at will, and she missed 90% of these shots (as would I!). At one point, I said, "Boy, they're putting a lot of balls at our feet. I think we need to play the net tighter." No change.

Perhaps she thinks my serve is so weak that she had no choice but to surrender the net. If so, I would like to know how I was able to serve and volley successfully against these opponents.

She needs a partner who is a baseliner. I am not that partner.

I need a partner who will be ready to volley if I can force a weak reply with my serve. She is not that partner.

Cindysphinx · 05-23-2009, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Topaz

Ok, I won't put the whole match wrap-up in here, but just bullet the drama:

[snip drama]

Oh, man. I gotta be careful here. I mean, this is a public board. Maybe this lady would see what I write here and recognize me. I will keep my remarks measured, just in case she happens to drop by . . .

SHE'S COMPLETELY CRAZY, TOPAZ!!! INSANE! WORST CAPTAIN EVER! People get onto her teams because they have no other choice, and then it is a race among the players to see how fast they can get off. Huge turnover, every year.

She lives in a paranoid world where everyone is out to hook her on line calls, and she tells her team before matches to hook the opponent if they suspect they have been hooked.

She and I partnered one time, and she would become angry with me if I exchanged pleasantries with the opponents, remember? The opponent said to me on a changeover, "Nice weather we're having," and I replied, "Oh, yes!" and my partner chewed me out. "Don't talk to her!" Uh, OK.

Well, I will see if I can avenge us both when my team plays hers. . . .

shell · 05-23-2009, 12:29 PM

Again, one more time with feeling, this stuff is unbelievable!!! Either you guys are making it up, or it is the stuff of nightmares.

Just to let you know, this does not happen in the majority of the world of USTA league play. I'm sorry for you that this is happening. I don't know what else to say.

Topaz · 05-23-2009, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by shell

Again, one more time with feeling, this stuff is unbelievable!!! Either you guys are making it up, or it is the stuff of nightmares.

Just to let you know, this does not happen in the majority of the world of USTA league play. I'm sorry for you that this is happening. I don't know what else to say.

Seriously...not making it up!

Again, it is not the norm. Other than bad line calls, none of my other players had any issues with their opponents. They all won, though, so easy to let some bad line calls roll off your shoulders.

Unfortunately, there are a few bad apples out there. I knew, once I saw I was playing her, what I was going to face. I think it was a good experience for me, so I know how to deal with such a player should I face that 'type' again. I played too sloppy in the second set, and it cost me. However, I didn't let her get to me! And of that, I am proud, because I don't think even a month ago that I could say the same.

And still, I'm not angry or upset. I just kind of have to laugh, and move on to my next match. 'Cause there's always another match!

And, she is the only opponent I've faced so far that hasn't *not* been a good sportswoman!

This particular league...I don't know...it certainly has its characters. You get tougher for playing them I think.

drakulie · 05-23-2009, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by shell

Again, one more time with feeling, this stuff is unbelievable!!! Either you guys are making it up, or it is the stuff of nightmares.

Just to let you know, this does not happen in the majority of the world of USTA league play. I'm sorry for you that this is happening. I don't know what else to say.

Drama Queens:

nickynu · 05-24-2009, 03:57 AM

Hey Shell in another thread these same gals are deciding if its a good idea to to nail the net player in dubs off a short ball-- Hmmm drama drama drama.

Hopefully I have the right to point this out, I make no judgement its just an observation.

alice301 · 05-24-2009, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by nickynu

Hey Shell in another thread these same gals are deciding if its a good idea to to nail the net player in dubs off a short ball... Hopefully I have the right to point this out, I make no judgement its just an observation.

you always have the right to make an observation. but it's inaccurate: what "same gals?" i'm the OP and i'm not participating in the short ball thread.

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-- Hmmm drama drama drama.

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nickynu · 05-24-2009, 05:46 AM

Cindy I believe. Dont worry its not an issue, its just that this new strategy could cause yet more drama - I await, popcorn in hand!!

alice301 · 05-24-2009, 05:57 AM

hahaha. meow.

STN107 · 05-24-2009, 06:36 AM

Have you guys ever thought of calling each other on the phone and just making it a private gossip session. I think what is so stupid is you guys posting your dirty laundry out here for all to see, and especially the ones you are gossiping about to see and read. Maybe that is why you do it here, maybe a passive/aggressive issue? Everybody has these same issues at times, it is just childish how you have to put it in a public forum. I am not trying to be rude, but this is my observation whenever i look at these discussions.

Topaz · 05-24-2009, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by STN107

Have you guys ever thought of calling each other on the phone and just making it a private gossip session. I think what is so stupid is you guys posting your dirty laundry out here for all to see, and especially the ones you are gossiping about to see and read. Maybe that is why you do it here, maybe a passive/aggressive issue? Everybody has these same issues at times, it is just childish how you have to put it in a public forum. I am not trying to be rude, but this is my observation whenever i look at these discussions.

The title of this forum is 'Adult League & Tournament Talk'. We are talking about things that happen in our Adult League matches. If you have a problem with that, I suggest you read a different forum.

Topaz · 05-24-2009, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by nickynu

Hey Shell in another thread these same gals are deciding if its a good idea to to nail the net player in dubs off a short ball-- Hmmm drama drama drama.

Hopefully I have the right to point this out, I make no judgement its just an observation.

A false one. Neither Alice (the OP of this thread) nor I are in the 'net person' thread.

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Originally Posted by alice301

you always have the right to make an observation. but it's inaccurate: what "same gals?" i'm the OP and i'm not participating in the short ball thread.

Me, neither.

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Originally Posted by nickynu

Cindy I believe. Dont worry its not an issue, its just that this new strategy could cause yet more drama - I await, popcorn in hand!!

Ok, just so we know...'same gals' = Cindy.

New strategy? I've seen guys post the same questions RE going at net person...what is the difference?

STN107 · 05-24-2009, 06:59 AM

I didnot mean to touch a nerve with you, I am merely trying to be an observer. The title caught my eye. And, I do not generally read this area for these reasons. I do think you all seem to have a problem with everyone you play and, every one who disagrees with you. At some point it may be helpful to reexamine your hostility towards others. I mean this kindly.

Topaz · 05-24-2009, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by STN107

I didnot mean to touch a nerve with you, I am merely trying to be an observer. The title caught my eye. And, I do not generally read this area for these reasons. I do think you all seem to have a problem with everyone you play and, every one who disagrees with you. At some point it may be helpful to reexamine your hostility towards others. I mean this kindly.

Please point out where I've exhibited hostility toward others? My opponent, the one who hooked me on many calls and was late...never did I say I was nasty. READ THE POSTS. I said I kept my cool and didn't let it get to me. You play enough league tennis, you run into hookers. We settled the score confusion amicably every single time. She even gave me a hug before she left the facility site.

YOU are looking for negativity...where there is none. Maybe YOU are the one with the problem?

Oh, and I mean this kindly.

drakulie · 05-24-2009, 07:11 AM

05-23-2009, 09:26 AM	#25
Topaz Legend Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,648	Ok, I won't put the whole match wrap-up in here, but just bullet the drama: opposing captain turns line-up in late opposing captain (who I was playing) late on court opposing captain hooks me on about 10 calls (proud that I kept my cool though)...not sure if she meant it, or just that bad at calling lines OP 'forgets' first set score (in her favor) OP 'forgets' second set score (in her favor) It becomes necessary for me to walk and talk her through the 3rd set TB So, again, ugh...but I knew of her beforehand, so I was a bit mentally prepared, and didn't let it get to me, but was quite adamant in correcting her score mistakes, and started writing down so she could see it. Which, Cindy, amuses me...because I guess she makes her players write the score, but she wasn't doing it herself??? They were literally shouting for her at the desk because the whistle blew, we were on court, and they didn't have her line-up yet!!! __________________ What would you do if you knew you could not fail?

05-23-2009, 11:31 AM	#26
Cindysphinx G.O.A.T. Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 14,084	I will do my match wrap-up in the form of a multiple choice question so that all will understand the nature of the problem. Q: If you are serving against opponents with heavy topspin groundstrokes, where should your partner position throughout the point so as to increase the chances that you will lose your serve? A. Four feet from the net. B. Two steps in front of the service line. C. Halfway between the service line and baseline. D. At the baseline. . . . . . . Got your answer yet? The correct answer is C, halfway between the baseline and service line. I . . . I didn't even know what to do! Standing in no-man's land like that when your partner is serving seems calculated to make sure your opponents face no pressure on their returns but always have an easy out if they get into trouble because they can bounce it off of your shoetops. It's not like she started the match at the net and they blasted her so she felt like she needed to retreat. No, this is the way she positions in doubles. Now, I will sometimes position a few feet back of the service line if my partner is struggling with keeping her return away from the net person, but I will immediately close to second volley position as soon as her ball makes it past the net person. I have to hustle, but I can do it. Or I will retreat to the baseline if she pops it up to the net person. I cannot even think of a time when I felt I needed to start the point on my partner's serve from anywhere other than in the service box. The impact of my partner hanging around in no man's land throughout the match was that they spun the ball to her feet at will, and she missed 90% of these shots (as would I!). At one point, I said, "Boy, they're putting a lot of balls at our feet. I think we need to play the net tighter." No change. Perhaps she thinks my serve is so weak that she had no choice but to surrender the net. If so, I would like to know how I was able to serve and volley successfully against these opponents. She needs a partner who is a baseliner. I am not that partner. I need a partner who will be ready to volley if I can force a weak reply with my serve. She is not that partner. __________________ -- Random Error Generator, Version 4.0 -- Master Moonballer

05-23-2009, 12:29 PM	#28
shell Professional Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,335	Again, one more time with feeling, this stuff is unbelievable!!! Either you guys are making it up, or it is the stuff of nightmares. Just to let you know, this does not happen in the majority of the world of USTA league play. I'm sorry for you that this is happening. I don't know what else to say. __________________ Dunlop AG 300 16x18, Dunlop AG 100 Dunlop AG 300 Appreciation Society Member #15

05-24-2009, 07:11 AM	#40
drakulie Talk Tennis Guru Join Date: May 2004 Location: FT. Lauderdale, Florida Posts: 23,908	__________________ Head Stringer @ the LTC, Babolat Star 4 Stringer http://www.youtube.com/user/drakulie

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