Do you think djokovic will ever be number 1? - Page 3

NamRanger · 06-17-2009, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by CountryHillbilly

Everyone is talking about great future stars that will be too good for Djokovic. I understand Murray, since he's been beating Djokovic recently, although he doesn't exist on clay. But who else?

Del Potro has improved a lot, but he hasn't shown that much yet. He beat Nadal once and Murray once on clay, and pushed Fed to 5 sets at FO, but apart from that he's been owned by all top 4 consistently.

Others like Cilic and Gulbis are a year younger than Djoko and are far less accomplished than Djoko was this time last year.

Others like Nishikori are too young to discuss seriously.

Djokovic may improve his form later on, Del Potro may settle down. Anything can happen, but posters have already concluded that Djokovic will stay where he is and others will zip past him. That reminds one of how Djokovic was hyped as being way better than Nadal and Fed last year.

Del Potro is improving at a rapid rate that is absolutely scary.

Djokovic is getting tooled by Roddick of all people (and this is coming from a Roddick fan) all year long. Even getting beat by the likes of Haas and Kohlschrieber. All quality players; but all players Djokovic SHOULD beat, especially Haas and Kohlschrieber.

If he doesn't do something soon, he'll probably never reach world #1.

maximo · 06-17-2009, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by NamRanger

Del Potro is improving at a rapid rate that is absolutely scary.

Djokovic is getting tooled by Roddick of all people (and this is coming from a Roddick fan) all year long. Even getting beat by the likes of Haas and Kohlschrieber. All quality players; but all players Djokovic SHOULD beat, especially Haas and Kohlschrieber.

If he doesn't do something soon, he'll probably never reach world #1.

Kohlschrieber was playing way too good, Djokovic never had a chance.

thalivest · 06-17-2009, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by NamRanger

Del Potro is improving at a rapid rate that is absolutely scary.

Djokovic is getting tooled by Roddick of all people (and this is coming from a Roddick fan) all year long. Even getting beat by the likes of Haas and Kohlschrieber. All quality players; but all players Djokovic SHOULD beat, especially Haas and Kohlschrieber.

If he doesn't do something soon, he'll probably never reach world #1.

That is what I am seeing too. Del Potro and Murray are improving and moving up fast while Djokovic is struggling to try and sustain for periods of time his level from spring 2007-spring 2008 at best. Unless something changes fast he will be well behind both before too long.

Also people keep saying when Federer and Nadal are gone, well there is a good chance Federer and Nadal wont be done winning majors until 2012 or so, and by that time there will could be who knows players emerge as top threats in addition.

You also need consistency to reach World #1. Djokovic showed consistency in 2007 and the first half of 2008 but has lost that consistency since.

NamRanger · 06-17-2009, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by maximo

Kohlschrieber was playing way too good, Djokovic never had a chance.

What a joke, Kohlschrieber has done nothing notable on clay throughout his entire career. Djokovic was being taunted as the "anti Nadal", "2nd best claycourter", etc. and all of a sudden we're using the excuse Kohlschrieber was playing too good?

No excuses. Djokovic simply did not play at the level he should have played.

maximo · 06-17-2009, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by NamRanger

What a joke, Kohlschrieber has done nothing notable on clay throughout his entire career. Djokovic was being taunted as the "anti Nadal", "2nd best claycourter", etc. and all of a sudden we're using the excuse Kohlschrieber was playing too good?

No excuses. Djokovic simply did not play at the level he should have played.

Yeah, i do realise he played quite bad. But still, The guy was ripping his 1 hander during the match.

zagor · 06-17-2009, 10:28 AM

It's amazing how much Del Potro is improving all the time.People may say he choked against Fed at the FO or whatever but for a while in that match he looked like big Agassi with Karlovic's serve.He was serving 135 mph bombs at 70%,hit huge and early off ground and wasn't missing much at all.Fed barely got out with his skin in that one and I don't think he was playing bad at all that day.

thalivest · 06-17-2009, 10:29 AM

I dont think Del Potro choked. He wasnt close to winning either the 4th or 5th sets and you have to be in a winning position to choke. Federer played much better those 2 sets, and Del Potro had put so much energy into all this shots the first 3 sets it would have been impossible to avoid a dropoff. The 2nd set he never had an edge, it was narrow all the way. It may seem he deserved to win dominating the first 3 sets overall but the scoring system in tennis doesnt neccessarily pan out that way.

zagor · 06-17-2009, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by thalivest

I dont think Del Potro choked. He wasnt close to winning either the 4th or 5th sets and you have to be in a winning position to choke. Federer played much better those 2 sets, and Del Potro had put so much energy into all this shots the first 3 sets it would have been impossible to avoid a dropoff. The 2nd set he never had an edge, it was narrow all the way. It may seem he deserved to win dominating the first 3 sets overall but the scoring system in tennis doesnt neccessarily pan out that way.

Well not saying he deserved to win or anything but I was very impressed with the level of play he displayed in first 3 sets.I mean this was a guy Fed double bageled at AO and since then he has beaten Nadal,Murray and pushed Fed to five at the slam,that's some improvement.

thalivest · 06-17-2009, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by zagor

Well not saying he deserved to win or anything but I was very impressed with the level of play he displayed in first 3 sets.I mean this was a guy Fed double bageled at AO and since then he has beaten Nadal,Murray and pushed Fed to five at the slam,that's some improvement.

Yes that is what I am saying. He is improving quickly, while Djokovic is at best reaching his level of Winter 2008 (eg- equaling his best ever level of tennis) for blips of time.

zagor · 06-17-2009, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by thalivest

Yes that is what I am saying. He is improving quickly, while Djokovic is at best reaching his level of Winter 2008 (eg- equaling his best ever level of tennis) for blips of time.

Yes,Novak definitely needs to pick it up.Guys like Murray and Delpo ain't gonna wait for him.Losses like the one against Kohlschreiber are uneacceptable,I mean Murray who is definitely worse than Novak on clay went much further than him at FO.Not something Novak can afford to allow to happen.

KuanMaster · 06-17-2009, 10:39 AM

i think djoko plays well at 'normal tournament', but he is not reaching very far now in the slams (2009)

TheTruth · 06-17-2009, 10:42 AM

The tennis landscape changes on a daily.

Anything can happen.

That being said, yes, he can reach no. 1.

TennezSport · 06-17-2009, 11:04 AM

While you never know what can happen, the problem that Djoker will always have is his fitness and breathing issues. While he may be able to perform well in a 2 out of 3 format, it's a whole different world when you have to sustain that level for 3 out of 5 slam sets. Throw in an on fire player or adverse weather conditions and things look even worse for Novak...........but it's still possible if the stars are right; just ask Fed.

If he does reach #1, he will not have it for long unless he fixes his issues.

Cheers, TennezSport

Brned · 06-17-2009, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by clayman2000

Sadly, as long as Rafa and Roger are playing like this, the 1 and 2 spots will be almost a lock

Streaky players dont become no 1 for a long time.

Since we have Rios and Safin

NamRanger · 06-17-2009, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Brned

Since we have Rios and Safin

Safin totally deserved his world #1 ranking; Rios on the otherhand managed to accomplish it in a totally broken system.

NamRanger · 06-17-2009, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by zagor

Well not saying he deserved to win or anything but I was very impressed with the level of play he displayed in first 3 sets.I mean this was a guy Fed double bageled at AO and since then he has beaten Nadal,Murray and pushed Fed to five at the slam,that's some improvement.

He was playing at a level of tennis that his body could not sustain. From my own experience (playing out of my own skin) I knew he was going to just simply get tired. If it was on a faster surface, I fancy Del Potro's chances against any of the big 4 now (especially the USO).

06-17-2009, 12:00 PM

Yes

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Cyan · 06-17-2009, 03:15 PM

Yup. I can see it happening in the future.

egn · 06-17-2009, 03:18 PM

He can very well get there in time I imagine though it would have to be in 2-3 years but he can get there.

OrangePower · 06-17-2009, 03:26 PM

Not gonna happen. He is a great player but is already being overshadowed by rivals that are of similar age (Nadal and Murray), plus there are several younger players that have potential to overtake him in future (eg Delpo, Cilic).

06-17-2009, 10:28 AM	#46
zagor Talk Tennis Guru Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Weak era Posts: 24,533	It's amazing how much Del Potro is improving all the time.People may say he choked against Fed at the FO or whatever but for a while in that match he looked like big Agassi with Karlovic's serve.He was serving 135 mph bombs at 70%,hit huge and early off ground and wasn't missing much at all.Fed barely got out with his skin in that one and I don't think he was playing bad at all that day. __________________ "If Federer played during the 90s he would have reached 3-6 ranking and would have won 2 slams max (no more than Rafter) - Sabratha, big Fed "fan".

06-17-2009, 10:42 AM	#52
TheTruth G.O.A.T. Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 10,425	The tennis landscape changes on a daily. Anything can happen. That being said, yes, he can reach no. 1. __________________ When there are no troubles in the world, fools will create them. unknown author

06-17-2009, 11:04 AM	#53
TennezSport Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Northern NJ, USA Posts: 1,862	U Never Kno...... While you never know what can happen, the problem that Djoker will always have is his fitness and breathing issues. While he may be able to perform well in a 2 out of 3 format, it's a whole different world when you have to sustain that level for 3 out of 5 slam sets. Throw in an on fire player or adverse weather conditions and things look even worse for Novak...........but it's still possible if the stars are right; just ask Fed. If he does reach #1, he will not have it for long unless he fixes his issues. Cheers, TennezSport __________________ Yonex VCore98D;Tecnifibre Duramix @ 50/46lbs USTA,USPTA,USRSA*MRT,IART,TIA :Tennis begins with Love

06-17-2009, 03:18 PM	#59
egn Hall Of Fame Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 4,513	He can very well get there in time I imagine though it would have to be in 2-3 years but he can get there. __________________ =]

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