High level play rating.

[GRANITECHIEF]

Originally Posted by Sup2Dresq

I guess I read his location under his screen name. Sorry if I didn't catch his new location.

Yeah Granite. Thousand Oaks and Malibu. Thinking around IW time.

Drakulie speaks highly of you.. but oddly spits right after saying your name. Like he is trying to ward off evil spirits.

I'm a mere 3.5. As proven by playing Drakulie this weekend. Wait. Yes. Proven.

Ah yes, 1000 Oaks, i used to live there and go there often to visit my grandfather. Is going to IW on your itinerary?

Ironic, eh, drakulie warding off evil spirits. I also recall him speaking highly of you and am just a bit skeptical of the 3.5 number being thrown around.

[JoelDali]

Originally Posted by Sup2Dresq

I guess I read his location under his screen name. Sorry if I didn't catch his new location.

Yeah Granite. Thousand Oaks and Malibu. Thinking around IW time.

Drakulie speaks highly of you.. but oddly spits right after saying your name. Like he is trying to ward off evil spirits.

I'm a mere 3.5. As proven by playing Drakulie this weekend. Wait. Yes. Proven.

Hey Sup, I'm actually from Westlake Village. Summerland is just a dreamy dream of a sig location. My real location shall remain anonymous as I have quite the stalker stalkings since joining here.

If I'm ever in CA lets have a Post Count Battle of the ages.



We can talk lead tape and stencil ink for sure.

[drakulie]

Granite, don't believe a word he says. I played him this weekend (not fun), and would guess you two would be a good match up.

I'm sure you'll both enjoy some beers and wings afterwards, as you are both good guys.

[Sup2Dresq]

Originally Posted by GRANITECHIEF

Ah yes, 1000 Oaks, i used to live there and go there often to visit my grandfather. Is going to IW on your itinerary?

Ironic, eh, drakulie warding off evil spirits. I also recall him speaking highly of you and am just a bit skeptical of the 3.5 number being thrown around.

Originally Posted by drakulie

Granite, don't believe a word he says. I played him this weekend (not fun), and would guess you two would be a good match up.

I'm sure you'll both enjoy some beers and wings afterwards, as you are both good guys.

Such kind words. Conspiracy. I'm anti hype.

To prove such matters:

Drakulie, tell the kind folks how you breadsticked me during our last 2 (out of 6 sets).

Tell them!!!

[drakulie]

^^^LOL.

I don't even want to go there, Rafaffaffafafff!!!

[Sup2Dresq]

Originally Posted by drakulie

^^^LOL.

I don't even want to go there, Rafaffaffafafff!!!

If only my left arm was bigger. I have to figure out how to serve better with any stick. Only my big Prince feeding racquet is doable.

Still you whooped me. Right!!! righ!!! darn you! No hype .. no hype!

[nytennisaddict]

Originally Posted by drakulie

You could "think" all you want. As I said, if you really read this thread as you claim, then you would know he is a 3.5-4.0 at best, because his tourney results are posted all over the place.

Additionally, you claim to have a 4.5 team, and now you are saying you don't even have a rating. In other words, you don't even know what you're rating is, and based on his results and him now beating you, you are most-likely a 3.0-3.5.

hehe, jolly is the best "3.5-4.0" on the forum for sure :P

i did capt a 4.5 team and have a computer rating of 4.5 (and also have tourney wins over computer rated 5.0's as recent as this year)... and i'm now the proud owner of a "drakulie-generated-3.0-3.5-rating". thx!

i should realized this type of dialog would follow my comment,.. the bottom line is who cares what rating a person is... on a forum! it's just an arbitrary way for players to find other players of similar ability. whether jolly is a 3.0 or a 5.0 doesn't matter, i enjoy playing with someone of his level (i guess that makes me a 3.0). no matter what my rating is (computer or drakulie-generated or jrod-generated), i still know i have way more to improve if i hope to win any of the tourneys around here (ny)... so until i do, i just keep trying.

drakulie/jrod - what are the rules for appealing a drakulie/jrod rating?

[JoelDali]

Originally Posted by nytennisaddict

what are the rules for appealing a drakulie/jrod rating?

LOL

Thats golden.

Post a video of yourself along with some USTA TL records.

Thats the best way.



Wearing sexy short shorts is the ultimate way to get a .5 NTRP boost.

[UnforcedError]

Originally Posted by JoelDali

LOL

Thats golden.

Post a video of yourself along with some USTA TL records.

Thats the best way.



Wearing sexy short shorts is the ultimate way to get a .5 NTRP boost.

Don't those shorts belong to Moz, how did you get a hold of them?

[Moz]

Originally Posted by UnforcedError

Don't those shorts belong to Moz, how did you get a hold of them?

You'd have to check the back to see if they were mine. They'd have a vertical brown streak down the middle.

[Sup2Dresq]

Originally Posted by Moz

You'd have to check the back to see if they were mine. They'd have a vertical brown streak down the middle.

Moz's buys his brand in a tube. Along with most of his recreational and non-recreational gear.

[nytennisaddict]

Originally Posted by Moz

You'd have to check the back to see if they were mine. They'd have a vertical brown streak down the middle.

If those shorts help me crack a sub 5 mile, I'll wear them for every workout :P

[Moz]

Originally Posted by nytennisaddict

If those shorts help me crack a sub 5 mile, I'll wear them for every workout :P

They will, but the brown stain is absolutely crucial!

[drakulie]

Originally Posted by nytennisaddict

hehe, jolly is the best "3.5-4.0" on the forum for sure :P

perhaps.

Originally Posted by nytennisaddict

i did capt a 4.5 team and have a computer rating of 4.5 (and also have tourney wins over computer rated 5.0's as recent as this year)... and i'm now the proud owner of a "drakulie-generated-3.0-3.5-rating". thx!

Not at all. If you lost to Jo11y, and he is by definition a 3.5, then you would be a 3.5 or lower. If you have an issue with it, take it up with the USTA.

[nytennisaddict]

Originally Posted by drakulie

Not at all. If you lost to Jo11y, and he is by definition a 3.5, then you would be a 3.5 or lower. If you have an issue with it, take it up with the USTA.

i'm not sure where you saw that Jolly is a 3.5 - is that a computer rating? Or is that a speculative rating because you saw he lost to another 3.5 in a tourney?

Here's an interesting fact (that someone's already mentioned before), tourney results do not affect league NTRP ratings. So that means, if I was a new member on USTA, I can self-rate myself as a 3.0 (which is entered into the computer until *league* results alter the rating), then I can go out and win several tourneys (over 5.0 players for example), and my NTRP rating with never change. And when somebody misinterpretting my results sees my record, they'll say, "oh this 3.0 has wins over 5.0's - those 5.0's must really be 3.0's". I know real people that were self rated low (because their buddy signed them up as a sub when needed), but are strong open tourney players (likely 5.0 if they really cared to put a label on their skill).

NTRP ratings are obsessed over by folks that are too scared to put themselves on the line and play an tourney. They'd rather fight/argue to maintain their precious 4.0 or 4.5 "rating" (or in this case prove someone else's rating), than to put themselves on the line and prove how good (or bad) they are in an open tourney or even an NTRP tourney (it is humbling!). When someone starts doing that, they stop caring about their NTRP rating (aka. the 'what-others-view-my-skill-level-to-be-rating' because they just want to get better and win tourneys)

[drakulie]

Originally Posted by nytennisaddict

i'm not sure where you saw that Jolly is a 3.5 - is that a computer rating? Or is that a speculative rating because you saw he lost to another 3.5 in a tourney?

I could tell you the following, which you haven't bothered reading, which is already provided for you in this thread:

1. He has a losing record to 5.0 **RATED** players (0-8 ), has never won a set off a 5.0, has won 9 of 96 games, and in the 16 sets played, received 8 bagels. We could easliy conclude he is not a 5.0 or higher.
2. He has a losing record to 4.5 **RATED** players (0-8 ), has won one set, received two bagels, and 5 bread sticks. We could conclude he is not a 4.5.
3. He has a 1-2 record against 4.0 **RATED** players.
4. He has a 1-0 record against 3.5, which went to 3 sets (this is a competitive match).
5. He has a 1-0 record against 3.0 **RATED** players, and was taken to 6-4 in one of the sets.

Based on the aforementioned, this player is not a 5.5, 5.0, 4.5, nor 4.0. He is in the 3.5 range.

This is all based on the USTA, and the players he has competed against who have NTRP ratings.

Like I said earlier, if you have a problem with this, I suggest you take it up with the USTA.


And by the way, the rest of your post is grossly incorrect. If you self rate at 3.0, and beat a computer rated 5.0 and continue to beat other 3.0's and higher, you will get bumped up. Additionally the USTA does assign ratings to players who only enter tourneys. Call them up, and find out for yourself.

[nytennisaddict]

Originally Posted by drakulie

I could tell you the following, which you haven't bothered reading, which is already provided for you in this thread:

1. He has a losing record to 5.0 **RATED** players (0-8 ), has never won a set off a 5.0, has won 9 of 96 games, and in the 16 sets played, received 8 bagels. We could easliy conclude he is not a 5.0 or higher.
2. He has a losing record to 4.5 **RATED** players (0-8 ), has won one set, received two bagels, and 5 bread sticks. We could conclude he is not a 4.5.
3. He has a 1-2 record against 4.0 **RATED** players.
4. He has a 1-0 record against 3.5, which went to 3 sets (this is a competitive match).
5. He has a 1-0 record against 3.0 **RATED** players, and was taken to 6-4 in one of the sets.

Based on the aforementioned, this player is not a 5.5, 5.0, 4.5, nor 4.0. He is in the 3.5 range.

This is all based on the USTA, and the players he has competed against who have NTRP ratings.

Like I said earlier, if you have a problem with this, I suggest you take it up with the USTA.


And by the way, the rest of your post is grossly incorrect. If you self rate at 3.0, and beat a computer rated 5.0 and continue to beat other 3.0's and higher, you will get bumped up.

Your expertise must be politics or public relations, because you are exceptionally good at cherry picking facts that support your theory.

You missed my point: league ratings are not affected by tournament results (eg. a self rated 3.5 who never plays league matches, can never get bumped up regardless of how many 5.0's a person beats in a tourney) - now the opposite can be argued as well (eg. folks can self-rate themselves too high)... are any of the above results based on league play? If he did play in a 3.5 league and won in a close 3 setter, i agree, he is definitely in the 3.5 range - but i suspect all those results are based on tourney play.

given that you can't always get the complete picture from tourney results (without knowing the actual players themselves), i hoped that my *live* judgement of him would have trumped any speculative rating from tourney results (and based on using my ntrp rating as a benchmark because i do actively play 4.5 leagues over the last 7-8 yrs - going to sectionals as well at the 4.5 level) - however, if folks insist on speculating, then - as you mentioned, "by definition" you can ignore my 4.5 sig below, for I am only a 3.0

i still would like to know the procedure for appealing my drakulie-generated-3.0 rating

[aphex]

Originally Posted by nytennisaddict

Your expertise must be politics or public relations, because you are exceptionally good at cherry picking facts that support your theory.

You missed my point: league ratings are not affected by tournament results (eg. a self rated 3.5 who never plays league matches, can never get bumped up regardless of how many 5.0's a person beats in a tourney) - now the opposite can be argued as well (eg. folks can self-rate themselves too high)... are any of the above results based on league play? If he did play in a 3.5 league and won in a close 3 setter, i agree, he is definitely in the 3.5 range - but i suspect all those results are based on tourney play.

given that you can't always get the complete picture from tourney results (without knowing the actual players themselves), i hoped that my *live* judgement of him would have trumped any speculative rating from tourney results (and based on using my ntrp rating as a benchmark because i do actively play 4.5 leagues over the last 7-8 yrs - going to sectionals as well at the 4.5 level) - however, if folks insist on speculating, then - as you mentioned, "by definition" you can ignore my 4.5 sig below, for I am only a 3.0

i still would like to know the procedure for appealing my drakulie-generated-3.0 rating

so, are you saying that all those 5.0s who bageled him are actually 3.5s?

[Moz]

BTW - I believe that some sections do include tournament and league results in the formulation of NTRP ratings.

The sections differ in their approach to this.

[Topaz]

Originally Posted by nytennisaddict

Here's an interesting fact (that someone's already mentioned before), tourney results do not affect league NTRP ratings.

Originally Posted by nytennisaddict

You missed my point: league ratings are not affected by tournament results

That depends on the type of tournament.

It if it is a USTA NTRP tournament, then the results do affect your rating.

Regardless, if you get beaten repeatedly in *any* tournament by computer rated players, then that would give you a good idea of your rating.