Fake or real? - Page 2

fed_the_savior · 11-03-2009, 01:20 PM

The ball goes off the view, so the strike being real is irrelevant. Do people realize how easy it is to fake these? It would take a huge amount of force to get the ball to even go that far. There are so many of these fake things out there and people still wonder if they're real. Sometimes I feel ashamed of my species.

borg number one · 11-03-2009, 02:17 PM

It seems impossible to get that much "loft" on that heavy basketball, so I'd be very surprised if it's real, but I guess it's possible if you hit it just right.

This shot was on TV about a year ago, and shows an amazing basketball shot. It was said to be real.

http://www.webtvhub.com/incredible-l...-real-or-fake/

maddogz32 · 11-03-2009, 02:42 PM

looks real, but idk if a teen could launch a basketball that far with a baseball bat

pmata814 · 11-03-2009, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dave333

Look at the windows, and also watch it during the slow motion part and pause during contact to see that this is most likely a real video. You can see the reflection of the ball in the windows, and if you pause at the right moment you can see how the ball is distorted during and a bit after contact.

HD youtube helps: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STPbrJmA_5M

The reflection in the windows makes it more obvious that it's fake IMO. Doesn't match the trajectory or speed of the ball.

Bertie B · 11-04-2009, 07:36 PM

Leelord337 · 11-04-2009, 09:15 PM

^^^that's real, the waterbridge in germany (cost to construct was 1/2 a billion euros)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magdeburg_Water_Bridge

Bernie Mac · 11-04-2009, 11:08 PM

I'm not going to doubt the length of the projectile, but the accuracy seems extremely unrealistic. It is almost impossible to accurately calculate where on the ball's surface to hit it to allow it to fall directly into the basketball ring. However the distance may be undeniable. In terms of physics, momentum before equals the momentum after; if you look at the acceleration of the guy's arm and the baseball bat then look at the position he is in after the shot you can notice that he exerted a huge amount of force on the swing, hence he will generate a lot of power. Momentum before=Momentum after. Now, Newton's Second Law F=ma, force equals mass times acceleration. The mass of the basketball is is about 22 ounces and the mass of the guy times by his acceleration from his swing and you may get a pretty large force (You include his mass because its the force put in, just like tennis, the weight you put into the shot is what makes a good shot not huge tank arms). In terms of trajectory, the max distance and height that can be attained is 45 degrees to the horizontal and surely if you look at the angle he hits it at, is certainly very acute hence the max distance and height is undeniable. Ok, thats the physics behind the distance, but that accuracy to get it into the hoop is really unrealistic. Someone provide an explanation for that?

Leelord337 · 11-04-2009, 11:16 PM

^^^best answer yet

welcome to the forums

Bernie Mac · 11-04-2009, 11:30 PM

Thanks man

heycal · 11-04-2009, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by fed_the_savior

Do people realize how easy it is to fake these?.

I don't. How is it done?

heycal · 11-04-2009, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Andres

Plus, he ball curves unrealistically much to the left. With that swing, the ball was supposed to go to the right.

Actually, the way the ball curved was one of the details that made it seem real to me. Hit balls slice like that all the time, and I figure, if one is going to fake something like this, they wouldn't think to put in a curve like this.

I have no way of knowing for sure, and don't know what the latest technology is capable of these days, but nothing at all looked fake to me.

dave333 · 11-05-2009, 05:59 AM

Ah 30 posts, time for me to reveal everything.

It is not fake. The hitter is a friend of mine at school. He is a senior, on the varsity baseball team and can bench his body weight, around 150 lbs lbs. He certainly knows how to hit a ball so that hit shouldn't be too surprising, as Bernie Mac explained . He is also not tech savvy at all, and neither is his brother and everyone knew that he didn't fake it, especially because that would have been a very good fake. Of course, his integrity is about as good as it gets in high school, as he is one of the quiet types that doesn't mess around as well.

I posted this here because when I was scrolling through the comments on break, I thought it was pretty interesting that the people who said it were fake never changed their opinions. It is a lot easier to deal with lower post counts so i put it here, and the comments by Andres and pmata814 were really good examples of how the brain can be really stubborn, and quite cynical.

It was pure luck though.

hollywood9826 · 11-05-2009, 06:15 AM

Well if he is a freind of yours then he should have no problem making another video with a widercamera angle proving he can actually hit a basketball that far. I have tried to hit a basketball with a bat and they dont go far at all. The ball compresses so much you lose most of the power behind it.

Its hard for me to see the spin on the ball so I cant say anything about that. I just dont see anyone hitting a basketball that far with a bat.

If you know him or not based on the video and my experience swinging a bat I still dont see how thiscan be real.

heycal · 11-05-2009, 08:25 AM

Definitely an interesting experiment, Dave. Funny that guys are still questioning it.

Maybe there is some new crazy technology I'm not aware of, but I can't imagine that kind of level of fakery. Not a phony feeling thing about that video at all.

hollywood9826 · 11-05-2009, 10:59 AM

I dont know nothing about technology. I just know basketballs dont fly off baseball bats like that.

Dave since you know the kids could you please get me the distance from where he was standing to the hoop. then I will go out and try to crush a basketball that far with a bat. if I can get withing 25 feet of the distance then I will have no choice. I just dont think that distance is attainable with a basketball. Its hard enough to hit a tennis ball far with a bat. and a basketball is alot heavier and has more wind resistance.

heycal · 11-05-2009, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by hollywood9826

I dont know nothing about technology. I just know basketballs dont fly off baseball bats like that.

Dave since you know the kids could you please get me the distance from where he was standing to the hoop. then I will go out and try to crush a basketball that far with a bat. if I can get withing 25 feet of the distance then I will have no choice. I just dont think that distance is attainable with a basketball. Its hard enough to hit a tennis ball far with a bat. and a basketball is alot heavier and has more wind resistance.

You have two big problems in your quest, Hollywood. 1) It looked totally real and doable to me and others, and B) If it is not, then how did a couple of kids pull off such a sosphisticated looking hoax that seems more real some of the million dollar special effects we see in fancy Hollywood movies?

I personally need no measuring or attempted re-creations. It looks real, it feels real, and I can't conceive of how it could be faked. That to me is very persuasive that it IS real.

11-03-2009, 02:17 PM	#22
borg number one Rookie Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 396	It seems impossible to get that much "loft" on that heavy basketball, so I'd be very surprised if it's real, but I guess it's possible if you hit it just right. This shot was on TV about a year ago, and shows an amazing basketball shot. It was said to be real. http://www.webtvhub.com/incredible-l...-real-or-fake/ __________________ "I remember a little boy and he was moving around trying to hit EVERY kind of ball, he never wanted to give one away."- Lennart Bergelin

11-03-2009, 02:42 PM	#23
maddogz32 Rookie Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: texas Posts: 383	looks real, but idk if a teen could launch a basketball that far with a baseball bat __________________ im the best mayne

11-04-2009, 07:36 PM	#25
Bertie B Rookie Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Kursk Posts: 153	__________________ Red cherries are ripe for picking.

11-04-2009, 09:15 PM	#26
Leelord337 Hall Of Fame Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: rice univ courts Posts: 2,211	^^^that's real, the waterbridge in germany (cost to construct was 1/2 a billion euros) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magdeburg_Water_Bridge __________________ member of the "federer finishes #1 for 2009 club" "Winning is not everything, but wanting to win is."

11-04-2009, 11:16 PM	#28
Leelord337 Hall Of Fame Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: rice univ courts Posts: 2,211	^^^best answer yet welcome to the forums __________________ member of the "federer finishes #1 for 2009 club" "Winning is not everything, but wanting to win is."