Going Pro - Page 3

TheMagicianOfPrecision · 11-04-2009, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by EikelBeiter

Absolutely.

But times have changed. If you are 17 years old and are rated a 5.5 you're not going to make it to the pros. That is just the way it is. In holland there are a few 15 year old kids who are 5.5 and the chances of them making it are also slim.

Times have changed, but just because you are not a teen-prodigy like Wilander JMac Nadal Hewitt or Roddick still doesnt mean you are not gonna make it imo, maybe you are not gonna be top 10, sure. But i still think you can make a decent living out of it. As i said before tennisplayers are individuals and with lots of players there is a hugh increase between the age of 18-22,basically i agree with you but my point is that if you are not top notch at 17-18 there could still be hope for you. Im not entirely familiar with the NTRP-system, in Sweden roughly you get 10 % of a players point when you beat him.

EikelBeiter · 11-04-2009, 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMagicianOfPrecision

Times have changed, but just because you are not a teen-prodigy like Wilander JMac Nadal Hewitt or Roddick still doesnt mean you are not gonna make it imo, maybe you are not gonna be top 10, sure. But i still think you can make a decent living out of it. As i said before tennisplayers are individuals and with lots of players there is a hugh increase between the age of 18-22,basically i agree with you but my point is that if you are not top notch at 17-18 there could still be hope for you. Im not entirely familiar with the NTRP-system, in Sweden roughly you get 10 % of a players point when you beat him.

Sure there are some late bloomers. But i honoustly believe that if you are a 5.5 player at 17 you have zero chance of becoming a decent pro. With a lot of training you can make it up to 6.0 hell maybe even 6.5. But that would mean you can play no atp tournaments, or even win challengers.

There are 14 year old kids who are 5.5!

check this chart for converting swedish rating towards NTRP
http://www.itftennis.com/shared/medi...4_original.PDF

TheMagicianOfPrecision · 11-04-2009, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by EikelBeiter

Sure there are some late bloomers. But i honoustly believe that if you are a 5.5 player at 17 you have zero chance of becoming a decent pro. With a lot of training you can make it up to 6.0 hell maybe even 6.5. But that would mean you can play no atp tournaments, or even win challengers.

There are 14 year old kids who are 5.5!

check this chart for converting swedish rating towards NTRP
http://www.itftennis.com/shared/medi...4_original.PDF

Thanx, thats a great site! Im gonna find out my NTRP-rating !

TheMagicianOfPrecision · 11-04-2009, 05:10 AM

Apparently im a 6,0-6,5 according to that site, i had no idea.

EikelBeiter · 11-04-2009, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMagicianOfPrecision

Apparently im a 6,0-6,5 according to that site, i had no idea.

Either you are very good, or the site is wrong

How many points have you got ? You say you get 10% of your opponents points if you win? Does that mean the more you play the higher your rating gets? or can you also lose points ?

TheMagicianOfPrecision · 11-04-2009, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by EikelBeiter

Either you are very good, or the site is wrong

How many points have you got ? You say you get 10% of your opponents points if you win? Does that mean the more you play the higher your rating gets? or can you also lose points ?

I played a lot of futures 5-6 years ago.
Im not that good anymore but i can still hit that ball

I had 455 Swedish points until 2 years ago when i had my license (a number that allows you to play tournaments) withdrawn simply because i wanted to focus on coaching, i havent played a match for a long time by now. But it is protected, whenever i feel like competing again ill get 80% of my highest point (455) back.
Yes the more you play the more points you gain, if you win. If you play a lot and loose a lot, well then there is not gonna be a lot of points.

EikelBeiter · 11-04-2009, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMagicianOfPrecision

I played a lot of futures 5-6 years ago.
Im not that good anymore but i can still hit that ball

I had 455 Swedish points until 2 years ago when i had my license (a number that allows you to play tournaments) withdrawn simply because i wanted to focus on coaching, i havent played a match for a long time by now. But it is protected, whenever i feel like competing again ill get 80% of my highest point (455) back.
Yes the more you play the more points you gain, if you win. If you play a lot and loose a lot, well then there is not gonna be a lot of points.

Ok so you had 455 points. which would make you a 6.0, which is very good. And if you started playing again now you would get 364 points (80%) Which would then make you a very good 5.5.

TheMagicianOfPrecision · 11-04-2009, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by EikelBeiter

Ok so you had 455 points. which would make you a 6.0, which is very good. And if you started playing again now you would get 364 points (80%) Which would then make you a very good 5.5.

Yes, but ive been practicing a lot with the best junior-player at my club so i guess im about the same levelwise as i was 3-4 years ago...atleast i hope so!

Btw, im gonna try to play some futures in Great Britain in January for the first time in 5-6 years, should be lots of fun!

EikelBeiter · 11-04-2009, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMagicianOfPrecision

Yes, but ive been practicing a lot with the best junior-player at my club so i guess im about the same levelwise as i was 3-4 years ago...atleast i hope so!

Btw, im gonna try to play some futures in Great Britain in January for the first time in 5-6 years, should be lots of fun!

Nice, good luck. How old are you if I may ask ?

TheMagicianOfPrecision · 11-04-2009, 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by EikelBeiter

Nice, good luck. How old are you if I may ask ?

Thanx.
Im an old man, turned 30 1 month ago.

EikelBeiter · 11-04-2009, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMagicianOfPrecision

Thanx.
Im an old man, turned 30 1 month ago.

Ah I see, you're going to have a look if you can still beat those darn kids !

TheMagicianOfPrecision · 11-04-2009, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by EikelBeiter

Ah I see, you're going to have a look if you can still beat those darn kids !

Exactly, ive always loved the competition, even when i play practice-matches to this day i leave everything out on the court, i confess that i hate losing alot more than i love winning.

LeeD · 11-04-2009, 08:48 AM

Back to the subject at hand....
Just WHAT is "going pro" ?
You can make some money going 2 rounds. You're pro.
You can make more money winning 4 rounds. You're top 20.
You can make a little money qualifying one out of 3 tourneys. You're borderline.
You can get your entry fees back (that's making money) going 3-4 rounds in Q's. Is that "PRO" ???
It certainly would mean you're at least 6.0. But is that "Pro" ??

teto29 · 11-04-2009, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by LeeD

Back to the subject at hand....
Just WHAT is "going pro" ?
You can make some money going 2 rounds. You're pro.
You can make more money winning 4 rounds. You're top 20.
You can make a little money qualifying one out of 3 tourneys. You're borderline.
You can get your entry fees back (that's making money) going 3-4 rounds in Q's. Is that "PRO" ???
It certainly would mean you're at least 6.0. But is that "Pro" ??

thanks for all your insights,,, i guess pro would just mean living out of tennis, wether you make lots or little money :S

BY THE WAY.... when I wrote about the diet and workouts etc.. its not like if i dont do that already. My coach has work outs and diets.. play 3 hours a day gym 1 hour.. I have my personal eating and workout charts etc.

i was just hear for maybe some extra info that could be helpful. Would you reccomend playing ITF's during school time? should i try in summer and if im doing pretty good jsut get home schooled or something?

GuyClinch · 11-04-2009, 04:08 PM

There was a kid who was playing futures who posted in another thread..

He plays 4 or 5 hours each day with coaching - and works out with a professional trainer for several hours a week as well. This is the kind of regimen almost all high levels players are on, IMHO.

In your case go get yourself a Div I scholarship...Then if your pro worthy your college coach can help you.

That being said I think your trollin..

Pete

LeeD · 11-04-2009, 04:23 PM

I still think, as long as you have the desire AND the big shots....the serves, forehand winners, putaway overheads, no major injuries, eagle eyes, you should give yourself a shot. Heck, you OWE yourself and all your support crew a real shot. Just dedicate TWO years of tournaments. If the results warrant advancement, keep going another year.
Heck what can possibly be worst than growing old and saying...." if I only gave it the chance...."
GIVE IT THE CHANCE!

xFullCourtTenniSx · 11-04-2009, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMagicianOfPrecision

I played a lot of futures 5-6 years ago.
Im not that good anymore but i can still hit that ball

I had 455 Swedish points until 2 years ago when i had my license (a number that allows you to play tournaments) withdrawn simply because i wanted to focus on coaching, i havent played a match for a long time by now. But it is protected, whenever i feel like competing again ill get 80% of my highest point (455) back.
Yes the more you play the more points you gain, if you win. If you play a lot and loose a lot, well then there is not gonna be a lot of points.

Isn't that by itself a tip off when we say futures players are around 6.0? Haha.

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