Higher Priced: Chicago or St. Vincent Prostaff?

peli_kan · 11-08-2009, 06:01 PM

I'm curious as to which one would fetch higher prices, all else the same (condition). I'm not looking for the answer to "which one should or shouldn't be more desirable," but rather what the current market is like for each one, relatively.

VGP · 11-08-2009, 07:20 PM

All things being equal for decent condition, playable frames, I'd say the St. Vincent. Although Chicagos have been getting closer.

Although, if both were new, unused, plastic on handle (although I'm not sure if the earliest models had that), hangtags with cases.....I'd say they'd be pretty close.

(....but isn't desirability reflected in the market price?)

peli_kan · 11-08-2009, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by VGP

All things being equal for decent condition, playable frames, I'd say the St. Vincent. Although Chicagos have been getting closer.

Although, if both were new, unused, plastic on handle (although I'm not sure if the earliest models had that), hangtags with cases.....I'd say they'd be pretty close.

(....but isn't desirability reflected in the market price?)

Thank you. I've been offered a Chicago in reasonable condition, but would like to know if the price is fair. If anyone else could comment on the market price of these two, I'd appreciate it.

VGP · 11-08-2009, 08:29 PM

What's the seller charging?

peli_kan · 11-08-2009, 11:53 PM

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What's the seller charging?

$100, but he'd be happy to go lower. It's about 7/10, with red primer showing from underneath scrapes from 3 to 9.

geese_com · 11-09-2009, 07:50 AM

$100 for a Chicago is already a good deal I think. If you can get him to get it lower that would be even better.

I have been tracking the prices of PS85s on the bay and it seems to me that St. Vincent's are fetching way higher prices (usually around $220). A couple Chicagos pop every once in a while but since the description does not say St. Vincent or have a Q in the buttcap they usually only go in the $160-180 range.

jorel · 11-09-2009, 08:15 AM

i feel they play virtually identical

racquetfreak · 11-09-2009, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by peli_kan

I'm curious as to which one would fetch higher prices, all else the same (condition). I'm not looking for the answer to "which one should or shouldn't be more desirable," but rather what the current market is like for each one, relatively.

Sampras was SV-exclusive. that would account for higher value of SV versions

jorel · 11-09-2009, 08:16 AM

chicagos were selling for about $100 five yrs ago

psp2 · 11-09-2009, 01:19 PM

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i feel they play virtually identical

....not in my experience. I have many bumperless PS85 in my collection. Every one of the Chicago version has lower SW than the SV counterpart.

The specs are measured on a Babolat RDC with same strings (VS17/SPPP17L), same grip size (4 3/8 ), same grip (Fairway), etc. etc. All static weights are all within few grams, but the SW of the SV are at least 7 pts. higher than that of the Chicago.

VGP · 11-09-2009, 04:23 PM

psp2 - just curious, how many PS85s and which models are in your collection?

psp2 · 11-09-2009, 08:03 PM

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psp2 - just curious, how many PS85s and which models are in your collection?

I'm not 100% since I've sold several here on TW and the *bay, but I "think"....

5 Chicago
6 SV (3 bumperless)
1 Taiwan
3 or 4 China (early and late)
2 PS85 w/ PSTour90 pj
3 JKramer Staff
1 Staff

jorel · 11-10-2009, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by psp2

....not in my experience. I have many bumperless PS85 in my collection. Every one of the Chicago version has lower SW than the SV counterpart.

The specs are measured on a Babolat RDC with same strings (VS17/SPPP17L), same grip size (4 3/8 ), same grip (Fairway), etc. etc. All static weights are all within few grams, but the SW of the SV are at least 7 pts. higher than that of the Chicago.

cuz of the bumperguard

but there is a way to put on a makeshift on the chic

psp2 · 11-10-2009, 07:37 AM

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cuz of the bumperguard

but there is a way to put on a makeshift on the chic

Hello.....

I'm comparing a bumperless Chicago vs. a BUMPERLESS SV.

jorel · 11-10-2009, 08:40 AM

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Hello.....

I'm comparing a bumperless Chicago vs. a BUMPERLESS SV.

ok then..............i would say after a little customizing... i think it would be difficult to tell....

psp2 · 11-10-2009, 06:04 PM

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ok then..............i would say after a little customizing... i think it would be difficult to tell....

You obviously have no clue whatsoever about these frames.

jorel · 11-11-2009, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by psp2

You obviously have no clue whatsoever about these frames.

kiss on the cheek

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11-09-2009, 07:50 AM	#6
geese_com Rookie Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 312	$100 for a Chicago is already a good deal I think. If you can get him to get it lower that would be even better. I have been tracking the prices of PS85s on the bay and it seems to me that St. Vincent's are fetching way higher prices (usually around $220). A couple Chicagos pop every once in a while but since the description does not say St. Vincent or have a Q in the buttcap they usually only go in the $160-180 range. __________________ \| (#1) PS85 (early St. Vincent) - 377g \| (#2) K90 - 370g \| (#3) PS90 - 370g \| (#4) HPS 6.0 - 368g

11-09-2009, 08:15 AM	#7
jorel Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,525	i feel they play virtually identical __________________ wowzers