Ridiculous conspiracy theories

[dropshot winner]

Originally Posted by richw76

Lets say you are correct about CO2 levels increasing. It still doesn't matter what people do. Clouds(mainly water droplets) have a larger affect on temprature than CO2. Most estimates I've seen.... from actual scientist say that CO2 Levels have around a 5% affect on temprature compared to other atmospheric gases/phenomena.

80%+ of those CO2 sources are NATURAL aka NOT Man Made.

If you wanted to get serious you would talk about the size of modern cities and heat islands, deforestation, replacing grass lands with wheat, and such. I'm not saying activities of man aren't affecting climate at all but people are fixated on GW and CO2 and it's a fair tale.

You don't find it shocking that CO2 levels are 30% higher than at any time in the last 400'000 years? In 10-20 years it might be 40-50%.

And please stop writing about "scientists", give me some sources. Almost all fully support GW. I don't count FOX propoganda as scientific evidence.

It's known that the earth can absord some CO2, but not indefinately. Assume it's a bit like your bathtub, you can put a lot of water in it, but if you put 30% more in it than usuall (which I suppose is near-full) you'll likely have a problem.

BTW, I'm not expecting to convince you, most ignorant people are ignorant their whole life. Just think about this discussion when the last doubt of GW is removed (won't take more than 10-20 years).

[richw76]

Originally Posted by dropshot winner

You don't find it shocking that CO2 levels are 30% higher than at any time in the last 400'000 years? In 10-20 years it might be 40-50%.

And please stop writing about "scientists", give me some sources. Almost all fully support GW. I don't count FOX propoganda as scientific evidence.

It's known that the earth can absord some CO2, but not indefinately. Assume it's a bit like your bathtub, you can put a lot of water in it, but if you put 30% more in it than usuall (which I suppose is near-full) you'll likely have a problem.

BTW, I'm not expecting to convince you, most ignorant people are ignorant their whole life. Just think about this discussion when the last doubt of GW is removed (won't take more than 10-20 years).

I like your bathtub example. Our TOTAL contriution is maybe a buckets worth. Ok now if we enacted every single change from every one of your experts in every country including china/india and emerging countries in africa etc. You would be able to remove a baby droppers worth from the tub.

There's alot of other thigns that we can do that would have a much greater effect like not cutting down the rain forest.

I'm in GA and we just had some very bad floods. It had little to do with GW. It happened because we cut down all the trees so I can live in a 4000sq/ft house and there's nothing to soak up or slow down the water.

I'm not saying not to do anything I just think the GW crusaders are misinformed and misdirected.

[dropshot winner]

Originally Posted by richw76

I like your bathtub example. Our TOTAL contriution is maybe a buckets worth. Ok now if we enacted every single change from every one of your experts in every country including china/india and emerging countries in africa etc. You would be able to remove a baby droppers worth from the tub.

There's alot of other thigns that we can do that would have a much greater effect like not cutting down the rain forest.

I'm in GA and we just had some very bad floods. It had little to do with GW. It happened because we cut down all the trees so I can live in a 4000sq/ft house and there's nothing to soak up or slow down the water.

I'm not saying not to do anything I just think the GW crusaders are misinformed and misdirected.

Not cutting down the rainforest doesn't solve GW. The cutting down of forests is an additional problem, it "only" makes the overall problem worse.

And about the last part, you say others are misinformed and misdirected, and yet you have not named a single scientist with a reputation that supports your point of views. You believe in what is most comfortable for you, sadly many others do that do. It doesn't make it any better.

We need to act now. Minimize CO2 emission as much as possible, ban the production of cars and machinery that have needlessly high emissions, make people isolate their houses instead of heating more, build a lot more near-emission free public transportation infrastructure, start using more local products instead of importing stuff from 10'000 miles away and so on.

You can't ignore the problem despite having the opportunity to really get yourself informed and think you have no responsibility for the future GW-related deaths.

[richw76]

Originally Posted by dropshot winner

Not cutting down the rainforest
And about the last part, you say others are misinformed and misdirected, and yet you have not named a single scientist with a reputation that supports your point of views. You believe in what is most comfortable for you, sadly many others do that do. It doesn't make it any better.

We need to act now. Minimize CO2 emission as much as possible, ban the production of cars and machinery that have needlessly high emissions, make people isolate their houses instead of heating more, build a lot more near-emission free public transportation infrastructure, start using more local products instead of importing stuff from 10'000 miles away and so on.

You can't ignore the problem despite having the opportunity to really get yourself informed and think you have no responsibility for the future GW-related deaths.

To the first statement check it out http://www.petitionproject.org/ here's a few thousand. I also listened to several hours of NPR's Copenhagen coverage and most of the very scared scientist that would go on record basically said the the same thing. Human added CO2 is not doing much to change weather patterns globally.

But you are 100% right on some things we should "make people isolate their houses instead of heating more, build a lot more near-emission free public transportation infrastructure, start using more local products instead of importing stuff from 10'000 miles away and so on."

Energy is going to become more and more expensive and reducing our energy costs are the only way we can stay competitive, especially since we are currently importing most of our energy.

I'm not against conservation. I think it's imperative. I just think Global Warming is becoming a religion, and is built on faith. Instead of the bible it uses computer models, inference, and imagination........

[dropshot winner]

Originally Posted by richw76

To the first statement check it out http://www.petitionproject.org/ here's a few thousand. I also listened to several hours of NPR's Copenhagen coverage and most of the very scared scientist that would go on record basically said the the same thing. Human added CO2 is not doing much to change weather patterns globally.

But you are 100% right on some things we should "make people isolate their houses instead of heating more, build a lot more near-emission free public transportation infrastructure, start using more local products instead of importing stuff from 10'000 miles away and so on."

Energy is going to become more and more expensive and reducing our energy costs are the only way we can stay competitive, especially since we are currently importing most of our energy.

I'm not against conservation. I think it's imperative. I just think Global Warming is becoming a religion, and is built on faith. Instead of the bible it uses computer models, inference, and imagination........

The petitionproject is just a list of some people that don't believe in WD (some of them signed back in 98 when a lot less facts/data was available).

The list was not even checked for fake names, there are people enlisted mulitple times and fake names (like "Redwine PHD").

You can get 10 times as many signatures of people with PHD thinking that the earth is 6000 years old.

Read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_consensus and you might learn something:

According to the results of a one-time questionnaire-based statistical survey published by the University of Illinois, with 3146 individuals completing the survey, 97% of the actively publishing climate scientists (as opposed to the scientists who are not publishing actively) agree that human activity, such as flue gas emissions from fossil fuel combustion and deforestation, is a significant contributing factor to global climate change.

Originally Posted by richw76

I'm not against conservation. I think it's imperative. I just think Global Warming is becoming a religion, and is built on faith. Instead of the bible it uses computer models, inference, and imagination........

Worst case scenario of GW may approach armageddon in some regions.

God must love how his earth his not only destroyed through cities, wars, pollution and deforastation, but also through GW.

You are not doing anything against it by denying the facts we have. God gave you a brain, use it, get informed by multiple independant sources instead of searching only for obscure facts that support your view.
If you really are deeply religious, you should be afraid of the consequences of chosing not to do anything against it when you had the chance to.

[heycal]

Originally Posted by dropshot winner

"It has been cold here, so there can't be global warning."

Where did I write that?

I don't take any position on global warming other than wishing the globe would warm up some. I'm freezing!

[malakas]

there about 4352346 threads already on global warming!Go fight in Rants and Raves and stop screWing my thread.Thanx.

[richw76]

Originally Posted by dropshot winner

The petitionproject is just a list of some people that don't believe in WD (some of them signed back in 98 when a lot less facts/data was available).

The list was not even checked for fake names, there are people enlisted mulitple times and fake names (like "Redwine PHD").

You can get 10 times as many signatures of people with PHD thinking that the earth is 6000 years old.

Read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_consensus and you might learn something:





Worst case scenario of GW may approach armageddon in some regions.

God must love how his earth his not only destroyed through cities, wars, pollution and deforastation, but also through GW.

You are not doing anything against it by denying the facts we have. God gave you a brain, use it, get informed by multiple independant sources instead of searching only for obscure facts that support your view.
If you really are deeply religious, you should be afraid of the consequences of chosing not to do anything against it when you had the chance to.

I find it hilarious that you use the Evangelical belief that Carbon dating is hog wash and the earth was created in 6 days and is only 6-10k years old.

Like them I don't believe the GW faithful will ever forsake their little g, god.

My information is not obscure and I have done my own research.

I'm not afraid of my God because I don't believe he is vengeful. Also, he knows my heart, and he gave me my intellect. As of today I have seen no compelling evidence that Global Warming is even real let alone seen evidence that people are contributing to a problem with "green house" type effects. So I feel no guilt. My mind is not made up. If I saw compelling evidence I would change my mind.

Evidence is not a bunch of computer models. A computer model is basically a fancy mainframe derived Excel spreadsheet. Old programming phrase is Garbage in Garbage out.

It's like the Movie Avatar. I love the Movie, it was beautiful and fun and I would pay to see it again.... but there is no Pandora.

Truth is if I believed that Human actions could make ANY effects to planetary temperature change I would support it even if the math was suspect. But when you look at the numbers objectively even if the US completely bankrupted every fortune 100 corporation it would not even be a blip on the radar. and one volcano explosion a mile under the pacific would negate anything we did times 10.

[richw76]

Originally Posted by malakas

there about 4352346 threads already on global warming!Go fight in Rants and Raves and stop screWing my thread.Thanx.

sorry

I have one "The Red cross is an Extension of the CIA"

Also The Fugees Wyclef Jean's uncle is a long time CIA asset and so is Wyclef's aid organization.

[Steve Huff]

The most crazy conspiracy theory--that all guys want is sex. Even my wife thinks that. How did that get started anyway. Uhh, gotta go. She's in the shower.

[spaceman_spiff]

My crazy theory is that gay men are heavily involved in women's fashion purely to get women to wear more and more ridiculous and unattractive clothing in order to drive straight men to think about "the other team."

At first, I was just joking with people, but the more I thought about it, the more plausible it sounded.

Think about it, if women's fashion is about women looking stylish or just showing off, why would a man who is attracted to other men have any interest in it? (We're not talking about transvestites, just normal gay men who wear men's clothing.) It makes no sense. And yet, gay men are prominent and heavily influential throughout the fashion world. What is their motivation?

At the same time, women's fashion is becoming more and more unattractive. I walk around these days and struggle to find any young women who look good (which makes it difficult to find women I want to date). Even the ones who I suspect have good bodies are wearing outfits that make them look fat (puffy outfits) and/or deformed (poorly fitting low-rise skinny jeans plus extra-length shirt tucked in, making them look hideously out of proportion, like they have no legs). The best looking ones are the immigrants from countries where the fashion industry has the least influence; they usually look the most stylish and attractive, until they live in the new country long enough to start dressing like the locals.

Wake up, people!