User's Guide to TTW Trasactions- Add Your Own!!!

[Azzurri]

PICTURES. make sure you ask for plenty of good pics of the frame.

[SteveI]

One last bump to see if anyone else has input. FFH, MM and others did such a great job with this.. there was not much more to add.

DD.. please edit and sticky when you feel the need and have the time. New buyers/traders/sellers please read..

Thanks to all that added their insights and experiences.

Regards,
Steve

[jimanuel12]

Originally Posted by meowmix

Recently, given the large number of transactions gone wrong, myself, Bud, SteveI, Diredesire, Fearsome Forehand, and others have decided to write up a user's guide to trading and buying on TTW. The following is what I have come up with.

Please add your own insights, advice, and tips to make TTW a safer place for transactions!!!

Eventually, Diredesire will create a sticky merging all of this together.

Well, here's what I wrote:

So You're Thinking About Trading or Selling on Talk Tennis Warehouse?

Before you read any further, read this following thread. It contains vital information that you NEED to know. It should clear up some confusion that you have.

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=217121

Now, normally, this thread wouldn't be necessary. TTW has been up and running for more than a decade now, and for most of the time, scams and problems were almost unheard of. We traded and sold based on trust. We trusted each other, each others ratings, each others listings. Back in the earlier days, scams were unheard of.

Unfortunately, this isn't the case today. While most transactions will not result in you getting jipped, more and more of them are. Here are some helpful tips that I hope you implement. They should give you a slight edge.

1.Check references. Check references. CHECK REFERENCES!!!!! I cannot emphasize this enough. We have a section on the forum dedicated to references. Use it to your advantage! If somebody has a lot of positive references, then you can be pretty sure that making a transaction with him/her will be safe. You can be relatively certain that you will receive your rackets, strings, or money in a timely manner, and the equipment will be as it was listed. If somebody negative references, or simply doesn't have references at all, BE ON YOUR GUARD! Be intelligent, and protect yourself with the following.
2.Unless making a transaction with somebody with many positive references, NEVER USE CASH. Money orders, checks, and Paypal are acceptable forms of payment on the boards, but they are NOT the most secure method of payment. The best way is for you to pay using your credit card. That way, if your deal goes south, you can just pick up the phone and call your credit company and reverse the transaction. This protection is not inherent in money orders or in checks. Paypal does offer this sort of protection, but it is less secure. An “intelligent” scammer can easily remove the money from a Paypal account after payment. Paypal is also notoriously slow. Do yourself a favor, and pay using a credit card.
3.In all transactions, make sure that you secure some kind of personal information. Get the other person's phone number in addition to his/her address and name. Always make sure that you have multiple ways to contact the other person. We understand that things might come up. Maybe Verizon decides to knock out your internet for a few days (hey, it happens). When this kind of thing happens, you want to have some other way to reach the person you're transacting with. It also makes tracking down people a LOT easier in case the deal goes south.
4.If you insist on using Paypal and are planning to be transacting using a large amount of money, you can protect yourself by getting all of the other person's information. Request that the seller send you a small amount of money using Paypal ($1 will suffice). This gets you the seller's information, and helps protect you. Later, when you're sending your payment, you can just return that $1 payment.
5.CONSTANT COMMUNICATION! Keep the other person notified of everything. Keep in touch, answer those emails, call back. A lot of things can be avoided if you just keep in contact with the other person. Again, we understand that things may come up. Maybe your brother suddenly becomes very ill. Maybe your grandmother dies. It happens, and we can understand. But when it happens, tell the other guy. Don't leave him hanging.
6.When shipping anything, get tracking. For the most part, getting tracking doesn't cost anything in addition to shipping fees (if you're using a carrier like Fedex or UPS). If you're using USPS, tracking usually costs an extra quarter. A tracking number can erase a LOT of problems that might come up in a transaction.
7.When trading, whomever has fewer references should ship first. This should be more or less common sense- if you have no references, we don't know if we can trust you. This makes things a little more secure for everybody involved.

This should give you some help. If you think you've been scammed, first contact the person you're transacting with. If he/she doesn't contact you within 24 hours, tell the TTW community IMMEDIATELY!!! Post a negative reference immediately. Tell us your story, and we may ask you for more information. Do NOT immediately post the person's personal information. Sometimes, a “scam” is just bad communication, and doesn't warrant the posting of personal information. You'll be able to tell when it's warranted to post personal information- most of the time, we'll tell you.
If you're sure you've been scammed, things depend on the method of payment. If you took my advice and used a credit card, call up your credit card company and get the payment canceled. If you paid using cash... you're out of luck. If you used Paypal, open a Paypal dispute IMMEDIATELY. Post the person's personal information in your reference, and we'll help you as best as we can. We cannot guarantee anything, but you'll find that we are a fairly tight knit community, and we'll do our best to help one another out.

this was a very good post, espeically someone like me who has not experience in these things.

thanks again

[SteveI]

Originally Posted by jimanuel12

this was a very good post, espeically someone like me who has not experience in these things.

thanks again

MM and FFH.. did a great job!

Steve

[origmarm]

Heya Meowmix, just one suggestion for an otherwise great post, could you maybe put a blank line or something between each of your numbers? Makes it far far more readable.

Great thread!

Cheers, Orig

[ryushen21]

I would add, never post your email address in the thread. This opens your thread up to any potential scammer out there and not just TTW people. If they want to make a deal or buy your frames, they can wait for the mods to update your thread.

[meowmix]

Originally Posted by origmarm

Heya Meowmix, just one suggestion for an otherwise great post, could you maybe put a blank line or something between each of your numbers? Makes it far far more readable.

Great thread!

Cheers, Orig

Done!


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[origmarm]

Originally Posted by meowmix

Done!


10char

Looks superbo now! Cheers, Orig

[origmarm]

Originally Posted by ryushen21

I would add, never post your email address in the thread. This opens your thread up to any potential scammer out there and not just TTW people. If they want to make a deal or buy your frames, they can wait for the mods to update your thread.

Very very good point. I made the mistake of doing this once and had some pretty strange emails.

[ryushen21]

Originally Posted by origmarm

Very very good point. I made the mistake of doing this once and had some pretty strange emails.

I know there are some posters out there that don't have the post count to activate the messaging feature but i'm pretty sure you could easily rack up 50 posts to activate that feature. It just opens you up to attack.

If anyone does post or contact you via email, as it was said earlier...check references, check references, check references.

[a-naik.1]

bump (just bringing it up to the top)

[SteveI]

Originally Posted by a-naik.1

bump (just bringing it up to the top)

Getting ready to Sticky this thread.. Anything to add?

Thanks to all that added their experiences and insights.

Steve

[beno40]

"4) Avoid international deals. Be doubly caustious if dealing with someone outside of the USA."

Just read this on your user guide to transactions I can't believe that this is particular good advice. Whats the difference sending an item to someone in the same country or to someone who isn't, no difference whatsoever!

Paypal is not only used worldwide on auction sites but also on most internet sites around the world as away of making instant and safe payments.

There are certain guide line that paypal set out to make the transaction safe and if you follow them you won't have a problem.

I have been buying and selling on auction sites for 8 years with over 1,700 transactions using only paypal to pay and receive payments, most of those transactions in many countries and not had any problems.

I don't understand why so many of you are so dismissive of overseas transactions when it is so safe and simple.

Thanks Ben

[SteveI]

Originally Posted by beno40

"4) Avoid international deals. Be doubly caustious if dealing with someone outside of the USA."

Just read this on your user guide to transactions I can't believe that this is particular good advice. Whats the difference sending an item to someone in the same country or to someone who isn't, no difference whatsoever!

Paypal is not only used worldwide on auction sites but also on most internet sites around the world as away of making instant and safe payments.

There are certain guide line that paypal set out to make the transaction safe and if you follow them you won't have a problem.

I have been buying and selling on auction sites for 8 years with over 1,700 transactions using only paypal to pay and receive payments, most of those transactions in many countries and not had any problems.

I don't understand why so many of you are so dismissive of overseas transactions when it is so safe and simple.

Thanks Ben

It seems clear that some of us have a problem and we stated our concerns. Easier for most of us to advoid those deals. You can do anything you feel works for you. Most of us are not looking to make money or run a business selling/buying and trading tennis gear. We choose avoid to hassles since we are trying to enjoy tennis not be stressed over it. It is clear it is not so safe and simple.

This one was really safe and simple....

rough transaction with tennispro19

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showt...ighlight=mitch

[beno40]

Originally Posted by SteveI

It seems clear that some of us have a problem and we stated our concerns. Easier for most of us to advoid those deals. You can do anything you feel works for you. Most of us are not looking to make money or run a business selling/buying and trading tennis gear. We choose avoid to hassles since we are trying to enjoy tennis not be stressed over it. It is clear it is not so safe and simple.

This one was really safe and simple....

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showt...ighlight=mitch

What I'm saying is you could have problems with Overseas buyer's as you could with US buyers.

So why say don't do transactions with overseas buyers, it just doesn't make sense.

Don't sell or buy then!

[SteveI]

Originally Posted by beno40

What I'm saying is you could have problems with Overseas buyer's as you could with US buyers.

So why say don't do transactions with overseas buyers, it just doesn't make sense.

Don't sell or buy then!

Makes sense to me...

[beno40]

Originally Posted by SteveI

Makes sense to me...

Why put any input into this thread if not bothered about safe transactions.

[SteveI]

Originally Posted by beno40

Why put any input into this thread if not bothered about safe transactions.

This entire thread was created to help folks conduct safe deals and recover from bad ones if they occur. It is clear that many have concerns with "International" deals. They are more trouble than they are worth to some. I share that view. Feel free to post why you think on "International" deals are safe and should be undertaken. I will not do deals with folks with no refs.. nor will I do International deals in most cases. The point of this thread is to inform and educate.

[beno40]

Originally Posted by SteveI

This entire thread was created to help folks conduct safe deals and recover from bad ones if they occur. It is clear that many have concerns with "International" deals. They are more trouble than they are worth to some. I share that view. Feel free to post why you think on "International" deals are safe and should be undertaken. I will not do deals with folks with no refs.. nor will I do International deals in most cases. The point of this thread is to inform and educate.

I 100% agree regarding information and education.

But to state Avoid International deals is utterly poor advice.

Why don't you do international deals?

[SteveI]

Originally Posted by beno40

I 100% agree regarding information and education.

But to state Avoid International deals is utterly poor advice.

Why don't you do international deals?

I stated my concerns in the other thread. The bottom line is that I have no real need to deal with extra forms, costs and risks. While I am sure many are well educated and experienced in International shipping.. I am not. Not worth the extra effort on my part.. when I can deal in USA..