My consistent medium pace flatter serve video.

[xFullCourtTenniSx]

Originally Posted by keepurpowderdry

You said nobody hits a medium paced, slightly spun shot ever. Lol I have the federer nadal australian final recorded and saw that happen allot . Your telling me you never heard the commentary ever say " HE LET UP ON HIS FIRST SERVE WITH SOME SPIN" . I am sure I heard that more than once in a grand slam event on tv. Thanks for all the other tips.

Well, "some spin" is around 1000 RPM for pros... When I slow down a serve and use "some spin", I'm actually using a lot to make sure it goes in...

Federer's first serve percentage was insanely low, so there's no way he was going for a bunch of medium paced spin serves.

Nadal's normal speed is relatively low, but he uses very heavy spin.

You don't really let up on your serve except when you throw in the wide one or the occasional change up, which are still hit with heavy spin.

Originally Posted by keepurpowderdry

I had to disagree with you again but when it comes down to mental tennis (thinking about what to execute) I don't like being logical because it becomes predictable . The players i play with can do anything with the ball so I have to mix it up allot.

... You're dumb. Being logical in this sense doesn't mean being predictable, it means being smart. You use the safer serve as the second serve. Otherwise, your first serve is going to get killed, you'll double fault far more often, and your chances of holding serve are rather minimal.

Mixing it up means changing up the spin, placement, and/or pace. It doesn't mean do something out of the ordinary that is crazy.

You hold serve by keeping a high first serve percentage and using first serves that set the point up for you or win you a bunch of free points. You don't hold with low first serve percentages and taking risks on the second serve.

Originally Posted by keepurpowderdry

Me missing one shot out of 4 doesn't discredit my claims to having that serve be consistent.

Looked like 2 out of 4. But like I said, I could've been wrong, so don't mess yourself about it.

[keepurpowderdry]

Originally Posted by xFullCourtTenniSx

Well, "some spin" is around 1000 RPM for pros... When I slow down a serve and use "some spin", I'm actually using a lot to make sure it goes in...

Federer's first serve percentage was insanely low, so there's no way he was going for a bunch of medium paced spin serves.

Nadal's normal speed is relatively low, but he uses very heavy spin.

You don't really let up on your serve except when you throw in the wide one or the occasional change up, which are still hit with heavy spin.



... You're dumb. Being logical in this sense doesn't mean being predictable, it means being smart. You use the safer serve as the second serve. Otherwise, your first serve is going to get killed, you'll double fault far more often, and your chances of holding serve are rather minimal.

Mixing it up means changing up the spin, placement, and/or pace. It doesn't mean do something out of the ordinary that is crazy.

You hold serve by keeping a high first serve percentage and using first serves that set the point up for you or win you a bunch of free points. You don't hold with low first serve percentages and taking risks on the second serve.



Looked like 2 out of 4. But like I said, I could've been wrong, so don't mess yourself about it.

I never double fault . actually everyone says my second serve is the same speed as my first serve with more action

[ps2dcgba]

Wow! first off BEAUUUUUTIFUL scenery you have! You lucky bastich!!!
The pace of your serve looks wicked, esp off the far end, normally people say on camera your serve looks slower ( mine is anyway) but your's looks like it has some heat on it, how tall are you if you don't mind me askin ;-p.
Thanks for sharing, and keep workin at it, all the best!

[LeeD]

Nothing to be proud of when anyone says..."my second serve is just as fast as my first serve"...
That just means you puffball ball your first serve, and it's slow but doesn't go in!
Do any pro players hit second serves as fast or faster than their first serves?
Guess what? NO.
So your nice second serve is great up to 4.0 levels, then your lack of a first serve means you're gonna lose most matches due to weak, slow servers.

[keepurpowderdry]

Originally Posted by LeeD

Nothing to be proud of when anyone says..."my second serve is just as fast as my first serve"...
That just means you puffball ball your first serve, and it's slow but doesn't go in!
Do any pro players hit second serves as fast or faster than their first serves?
Guess what? NO.
So your nice second serve is great up to 4.0 levels, then your lack of a first serve means you're gonna lose most matches due to weak, slow servers.

I am proud of my serve Sorry if your offended by me being proud... Kinda wierd but if thats how you feel thats how ya feel lol..These are my 4 puffball serves before I start to practice tennis. I did these 4 puffball serves for fun right when i got to the courts. one of them was out but I just got to the court lol...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=it9Y69gL8NM

[keepurpowderdry]

Originally Posted by ps2dcgba

Wow! first off BEAUUUUUTIFUL scenery you have! You lucky bastich!!!
The pace of your serve looks wicked, esp off the far end, normally people say on camera your serve looks slower ( mine is anyway) but your's looks like it has some heat on it, how tall are you if you don't mind me askin ;-p.
Thanks for sharing, and keep workin at it, all the best!

Thanks man . I am 5'9 .. Yeah i love the scenery big time..

[LeeD]

OK, Mr KNOW IT ALL ...
Why ask for tips when you know everything?
I think you should continue practicing medium speed, medium spin serves.
As for pro's serving..... first of all commentator knows, but doesn't say the truth, because YOU don't understand it.
Pros mix up their serves, hit one flat, hit one spun with pace, one spun with less pace, then back to flats. All flats are fast. All spins are swung FASTER than swing for flats.
You don't know, don't assume you do.

[defrule]

I suggest practicing with more balls, sucks having to run to the other side after every 2 serves.

[Nellie]

If you want more pace - you need to get that toss higher and further out. Your toss is slightly overhead and to the right, meaning that all of the power comes from the arm and not from a forward weight shift. You note, for example, that you start and stop the serve in the same location (not movement)

[keepurpowderdry]

Originally Posted by LeeD

OK, you're a big, strong guy who's trying to get into shape.
Medium speed slightly spun is the worst serve you can do, at 3.5 and better levels. It slides medium speed medium pace right into the sweetspot of the opponent, and get's blasted back so you're on the defensive immediately.
By medium speed, I'd bet around 85mph.
Instead of this, either hit a real first serve or hit a real second serve at 70 mph, but double the spin. You're not really swinging or moving into the court, so your potential to raise the speed/speed is pretty high.
As said, SLOW down before you toss. Use legs, use hips, use archer's bow, hold your toss hand up there, spring into the court with a purpose.
Watch some vids of pro male players. Nobody hits medium pace, slightly spun shots EVER.

again I understand and agree with your input, but my medium consistant speed is around 100 . and 3.5 or even 4.5 can't blast it back ..

[EikelBeiter]

You are tossing the ball a little too low, this is probably because of your fast rythem, but I feel you are not hitting the ball as high as you could hit it.

You don't create enough torque in your mid section by winding up your shoulders against your hips.

So I would work on your throphy position if i were you, keeping in mind the two points above.

[keepurpowderdry]

Originally Posted by EikelBeiter

You are tossing the ball a little too low, this is probably because of your fast rythem, but I feel you are not hitting the ball as high as you could hit it.

You don't create enough torque in your mid section by winding up your shoulders against your hips.

So I would work on your throphy position if i were you, keeping in mind the two points above.

Awesome ! .. Ok I will practice that and also watch some pro players on video that have those two quality's. If you don't mind I will send you a video of my progression... Thanks again.. and keep painting those lines .. Tennis tonight weeeee

[keepurpowderdry]

Originally Posted by LeeD

OK, Mr KNOW IT ALL ...
Why ask for tips when you know everything?
I think you should continue practicing medium speed, medium spin serves.
As for pro's serving..... first of all commentator knows, but doesn't say the truth, because YOU don't understand it.
Pros mix up their serves, hit one flat, hit one spun with pace, one spun with less pace, then back to flats. All flats are fast. All spins are swung FASTER than swing for flats.
You don't know, don't assume you do.

I really do appreciate your input minus all the childish talk.. Strange though , because you have said some one liners that make me think your older ?????

[keepurpowderdry]

Originally Posted by defrule

I suggest practicing with more balls, sucks having to run to the other side after every 2 serves.

LOL I did that to show a certain person that I can hit 4 serve cold .. No warm up

[EikelBeiter]

Originally Posted by keepurpowderdry

Awesome ! .. Ok I will practice that and also watch some pro players on video that have those two quality's. If you don't mind I will send you a video of my progression... Thanks again.. and keep painting those lines .. Tennis tonight weeeee

sure np Have a good practise.

[keepurpowderdry]

Originally Posted by Nellie

If you want more pace - you need to get that toss higher and further out. Your toss is slightly overhead and to the right, meaning that all of the power comes from the arm and not from a forward weight shift. You note, for example, that you start and stop the serve in the same location (not movement)

thanks man, you got me thinking.. no one as of yet can really handle my pace and I have been really working on placement and have got it down so well I can go either side or into the body at will.. Should I really change my serve the ways you guys are correctly telling me to just to get from average 100 to 100+ ? I mean I am only generally playing 4.0 to 4.5 guys and one day a week I hit with a small group of 5.5 guys. but not in tournament's ... Sorry if I am changing my thinking it's good though you guys are getting me to think this through .. Thank you so much for your response ..