Clay Court GOAT - Page 7

hoodjem · 02-04-2010, 04:25 PM

Mais oui--
1. Borg
2. Nadal
3. Rosewall
4. Cochet
5. Lendl
6. Wilander
7. Laver
8. Lacoste
9. Kuerten
10. Borotra

pc1 · 02-04-2010, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by hoodjem

Mais oui--
1. Borg
2. Nadal
3. Rosewall
4. Cochet
5. Lendl
6. Wilander
7. Laver
8. Lacoste
9. Kuerten
10. Borotra

It's appropriate you brought this thread back considering the Borg/Rosewall clay court thread.

My fantasy clay match ups of recent years. Kuerten at his best against Nadal at his best.

Nastase against Federer. Super speed, super touch by Nastase against Federer.

borg number one · 02-04-2010, 05:24 PM

That's very interesting on Kuerten pc1, who took out Federer at the FO in 2004.

See this on him and Luxilon strings:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...899876,00.html

hoodjem · 02-04-2010, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by pc1

It's appropriate you brought this thread back considering the Borg/Rosewall clay court thread.

My fantasy clay match ups of recent years. Kuerten at his best against Nadal at his best.

Nastase against Federer. Super speed, super touch by Nastase against Federer.

Nastase could probably out-psych Fed.

pc1 · 02-04-2010, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by hoodjem

Nastase could probably out-psych Fed.

In my mind I see Nastase winning most of the time on clay, especially with wood. Come to think of it, with wood it would be a fascinating match up on any surface.

hoodjem · 02-04-2010, 05:43 PM

Nastase was a magician, but a crazy magician.

He and Tiriac were like Rasputin and the Wild Man of Borneo.

borg number one · 02-04-2010, 06:06 PM

Do you guys know Tiriac is Romania's first BILLIONAIRE? The guy is the richest man in tennis! He started the first private bank there and started numerous banks/businesses in the country, post-Communism. He was "crazy like a fox":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_%C5%A2iriac

pc1 · 02-04-2010, 07:15 PM

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Do you guys know Tiriac is Romania's first BILLIONAIRE? The guy is the richest man in tennis! He started the first private bank there and started numerous banks/businesses in the country, post-Communism. He was "crazy like a fox":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_%C5%A2iriac

So Romania's first billionaire is a man who used to eat glass on a bet. lol.

hoodjem · 02-16-2010, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by borg number one

Do you guys know Tiriac is Romania's first BILLIONAIRE? The guy is the richest man in tennis! He started the first private bank there and started numerous banks/businesses in the country, post-Communism. He was "crazy like a fox":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_%C5%A2iriac

Holy cow--Tiriac is a billionaire?

Incroyable!

Ahhh; this explains a lot: "In 1983, he [Tiriac] became a tennis manager; above all, he managed Boris Becker from 1984 to 1993."

borg number one · 02-16-2010, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by hoodjem

Holy cow--Tiriac is a billionaire?

Incroyable!

Ahhh; this explains a lot: "In 1983, he [Tiriac] became a tennis manager; above all, he managed Boris Becker from 1984 to 1993."

Yes Hoodjem, lol. I almost fell out of my chair when I read that. He was "crazy like a Fox" wasn't he? Vilas and Becker, not bad as a player, coach, and manager, but he was known to be pretty strange. I'll take L. Bergelin instead!

hoodjem · 02-17-2010, 06:28 PM

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Yes Hoodjem, lol. I almost fell out of my chair when I read that. He was "crazy like a Fox" wasn't he? Vilas and Becker, not bad as a player, coach, and manager, but he was known to be pretty strange.

If you had Tiriac and Nastase and Becker and Vilas play a doubles match, I think someone would be killed.

Three crazies and one poet--what a combination.

hoodjem · 04-05-2010, 05:22 AM

Here's the greatest claycourter thread.

Where's Kuerten? Where's Federer?

pc1 · 04-05-2010, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by hoodjem

Here's the greatest claycourter thread.

Where's Kuerten? Where's Federer?

Not that it means much but I always got the impression Kuerten was one of the happiest men ever to play tennis. He seemed to really get joy out of just playing and hitting the ball.

borg number one · 04-05-2010, 05:28 AM

I think you're list has it just about right Hoodjem. Kuerten is top 10. Federer is probably in the #10-#15 range or #15-#20 all time on your list. Some may disagree, but top 15-20 all time on a surface is really not bad. There have been so many greats over the years.

pc1 · 04-05-2010, 05:34 AM

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I think you're list has it just about right Hoodjem. Kuerten is top 10. Federer is probably in the #10-#15 range or #15-#20 all time on your list. Some may disagree, but top 15-20 all time on a surface is really not bad. There have been so many greats over the years.

Of course. Tennis has been around a long time and there have been a lot of great players. If a player ranked in the top 15-20 on every surface for all time, that player probably would be in the top ten ever overall, maybe top five. The ranking of 10-15 is obviously even better.

hoodjem · 04-05-2010, 06:20 AM

Mais oui.
Claycourt GOATs--

1. Borg
2. Nadal
3. Rosewall
4. Cochet
5. Lendl
6. Wilander
7. Lacoste
8. Kuerten
9. Laver
10. Borotra
11. Wilding
12. Drobny
13. Vilas
14. Santana
15. Bruguera
16. Pietrangeli
17. Federer
18. Muster
19. Courier
20. von Cramm
21. Emerson
22. Trabert
23. Agassi
24. Connors
25. Gimeno
26. Frank Parker
27. Roche
28. Nastase
29. Sven Davidson

dmt · 04-05-2010, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by hoodjem

Mais oui.
Claycourt GOATs--

1. Borg
2. Nadal
3. Rosewall
4. Cochet
5. Lendl
6. Wilander
7. Lacoste
8. Kuerten
9. Laver
10. Borotra
11. Drobny
12. Vilas
13. Santana
14. Bruguera
15. Pietrangeli
16. Federer
17. Muster
18. Courier
19. von Cramm
20. Emerson
21. Trabert
22. Agassi
23. Connors
24. Gimeno
25. Frank Parker
26. Roche
27. Nastase
28. Sven Davidson

this is a pretty good list. I must admit i am not an expert on players before the open era, but i still think Guga is too low. Maybe i am biased since i am a huge fan of his clay court game, but i do think he should be higher.

hoodjem · 04-06-2010, 02:23 PM

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This is a pretty good list. I must admit I am not an expert on players before the open era, but i still think Guga is too low. Maybe I am biased since I am a huge fan of his clay court game, but I do think he should be higher.

True. Guga is very, very good on clay. But the players ahead of him are damn good.

After all, what is the name of the FO trophy? (Numbers 1-10 are pretty ethereal company.)

timnz · 04-06-2010, 02:43 PM

Where does Anthony Wilding fit on this list? As far as I can see he was mostly unbeaten for about 5 years on clay (1910 to 1914 seasons) and probably tallied the most clay court titles of anyone in history.

kimbahpnam · 04-06-2010, 03:13 PM

If Nadal is 2 and Fed lost 3 FO FINALS to him, wouldn't that give Fed more credibility on clay? Not to mention beating him in Madrid?

02-04-2010, 04:25 PM	#121
hoodjem G.O.A.T. Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bierlandt Posts: 10,020	Mais oui-- 1. Borg 2. Nadal 3. Rosewall 4. Cochet 5. Lendl 6. Wilander 7. Laver 8. Lacoste 9. Kuerten 10. Borotra __________________ The smart man thinks he knows a lot; the wise man is aware that he knows little.

02-04-2010, 05:24 PM	#123
borg number one Legend Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,249	That's very interesting on Kuerten pc1, who took out Federer at the FO in 2004. See this on him and Luxilon strings: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...899876,00.html __________________ Borg never pointed to himself. He never even seemed to care if anyone read the advertisements. — Tom Callahan

02-04-2010, 05:43 PM	#126
hoodjem G.O.A.T. Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bierlandt Posts: 10,020	Nastase was a magician, but a crazy magician. He and Tiriac were like Rasputin and the Wild Man of Borneo. __________________ The smart man thinks he knows a lot; the wise man is aware that he knows little.

02-04-2010, 06:06 PM	#127
borg number one Legend Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,249	Do you guys know Tiriac is Romania's first BILLIONAIRE? The guy is the richest man in tennis! He started the first private bank there and started numerous banks/businesses in the country, post-Communism. He was "crazy like a fox": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_%C5%A2iriac __________________ Borg never pointed to himself. He never even seemed to care if anyone read the advertisements. — Tom Callahan

04-05-2010, 05:22 AM	#132
hoodjem G.O.A.T. Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bierlandt Posts: 10,020	Here's the greatest claycourter thread. Where's Kuerten? Where's Federer? __________________ The smart man thinks he knows a lot; the wise man is aware that he knows little.