Federer "gamesmanship" and Nadal gamesmanship+cheating were not the same.

[fedfan08]

There's only been one match where Fed has taken a time out (MTO or otherwise) where he's won the match - 2008 AO against Tipsy. Every other match he lost. The 2005 AO SF against Safin - Fed said a few months later his feet were bothering him so bad (not sure if it was blisters or something else) that he wasn't sure he'd have been able to play the final if he won. And the match against Murray at 2008 TMC in between games Fed would sit next to the linespersons/ball kids because his back was bothering him so much. And I believe in that match he walked over to Murray and personally let him know he was taking an MTO for his back. Perhaps that was all gamesmanship, but if it was it didn't work.

[pame]

Originally Posted by fedfan08

There's only been one match where Fed has taken a time out (MTO or otherwise) where he's won the match - 2008 AO against Tipsy. Every other match he lost. The 2005 AO SF against Safin - Fed said a few months later his feet were bothering him so bad (not sure if it was blisters or something else) that he wasn't sure he'd have been able to play the final if he won. And the match against Murray at 2008 TMC in between games Fed would sit next to the linespersons/ball kids because his back was bothering him so much. And I believe in that match he walked over to Murray and personally let him know he was taking an MTO for his back. Perhaps that was all gamesmanship, but if it was it didn't work.

If I remember correctly, Fed was recovering from an ankle he sprained in practice but that was known for quite a while before... if it's the right time I'm thinking of

[muzza123]

Originally Posted by Rippy

That's the only time I did it lol. But fair enough, it shall be the last time.

EDIT: hold on, you've got the comment in your signature, that's even worse...

Did I say it's a bad thing? It would be wrong to allow ViscaB's gem of a post to become forgotten! Spread the word I say!

[BreakPoint]

Originally Posted by Bud

Why are they irrelevant?

If an early round opponent didn't choke Federer would never have played the final.

Again, that was his point.

If that's the case then:

Number of Slams won by Nadal without his opponents choking: ZERO!

[Berundi]

Originally Posted by dmt

actually if you consider what nadal did as cheating, then his opponent cheated too.

I agree, but the better cheater won.

[BreakPoint]

Originally Posted by ViscaB

Rafa is like the German national team. He's a winner.

The German team may have won, but they will forever be labeled as cheaters and no one will respect them and people will root against them in the next round.

So just like Nadal, they may have won the battle, but lost the war.

[jackson vile]

Originally Posted by TheTruth

Amazing, and they still don't see how they come off. Roger actually admitted it, but somehow they twist it into something else.

I guess he would have to pan to the camera and say, "To my fans at TW, I really did cheat. Seriously." Lol!

He did say that, he said that his actions were intentional because he was about to lose his @$$ and could not handle it.

They want to make believe that Roger has done this type of cheating less, so he is some how better.

Earth to ****s, when you cheat you are a cheater period! And forever, you guys need to stop painting yourselfs in a corner.

Even if it is only once, there is no "oh well once is ok, but twice!" BS,



Further more, both players called injury time outs, making them equal cheaters.

They are all cheaters DEAL WITH IT!

[fedfan08]

Originally Posted by pame

If I remember correctly, Fed was recovering from an ankle he sprained in practice but that was known for quite a while before... if it's the right time I'm thinking of

That was 2005 TMC where he probably shouldn't have even played, but he did. And he almost beat Nalbandian.

[Mun]

Nadal was injured, Fed wansn't. Both stopped the game. So Fed is a cheater and Nadal isn't. Simple.

[TheTruth]

Originally Posted by Hitman

Players choke. It is just something that exists, and won't be going away as long as the sport exists.

Both Federer and Nadal have won matches with players choking against them, but so have many other greats in the past. But that is part of the game.

He who has all his weapons by his side will always be in a good position to win, this includes the mind - the most powerful weapon of them all.

This is a great post. It was a pleasure to read it .

[TheTruth]

Originally Posted by mandy01

Anyone who follows Roger knows his interviews with Courier aren't serious.And this is further evidenced by the fact that Roger was already there on court when the the umpire called time.And AGAIN where exactly this lovely admission came,you have still not shown us..

I've never heard of this, Roger's interviews with Courier aren't serious. I don't believe that. We only have what he said we can't analyze their motives. That's actually the problem with this whole accusatory thing. No one knows whether Rafa was hurt or not, yet many declare him a cheater. Ironically, Fed admits to gamesmanship, but he wasn't serious.

It was an interview after the match. More than one person saw it as it was telecast worldwide. Everyone knows he said it, if he hadn't you couldn't say he wasn't serious. You've actually proved he did say it, by saying he didn't mean it. So, why would I need more proof?

[drakulie]

^^You need to learn the rules of the game before you post about someone cheating.

[TheTruth]

Originally Posted by jackson vile

He did say that, he said that his actions were intentional because he was about to lose his @$$ and could not handle it.

They want to make believe that Roger has done this type of cheating less, so he is some how better.

Earth to ****s, when you cheat you are a cheater period! And forever, you guys need to stop painting yourselfs in a corner.

Even if it is only once, there is no "oh well once is ok, but twice!" BS,



Further more, both players called injury time outs, making them equal cheaters.

They are all cheaters DEAL WITH IT!

I know he said it. I just don't understand why they don't understand. That was horrible, but he can do that and get away with it, because the pundits aren't going to hold his feet over the coals about it. They're all buddies and agents and what not. They'll laugh it off, or ignore it, and IMO, the fans will blindly follow.

Everything he does and says they deem as right, correct, and better. It's pretty sad, actually, but hey to each his own.

[anantak2k]

Originally Posted by reversef

*******s at their best. So much class! Don't you know that Nadal is never injured?

Wait... I thought Nadal was always injured?

[Bud]

Originally Posted by anantak2k

Wait... I thought Nadal was always injured?

Very original/insightful contribution... thanks

[TheTruth]

Originally Posted by drakulie

^^You need to learn the rules of the game before you post about someone cheating.

Aren't you the one with the steroids theory?

[fgzhu88]

I think the answer to this silly debate lies in whether or not Federer went over his alotted time during the bathroom break. If 2 minutes is the standard changeover time in between sets (if indeed 2 minutes is all he took) then it doesn't matter whether he is taking a ****, wacking off, or sitting on his bench drinking water.

With regard to Nadal, the reason he "happens" to take his T.O.'s when he is down, that is when his adrenaline levels usually drop, thus allowing more pain to be felt. It's a mere physical fact. winning = pain numbed away. Struggling = amplified or returned pain. Nadal is merely responding to his body's natural cues

[Bud]

Originally Posted by fgzhu88

I think the answer to this silly debate lies in whether or not Federer went over his alotted time during the bathroom break. If 2 minutes is the standard changeover time in between sets (if indeed 2 minutes is all he took) then it doesn't matter whether he is taking a ****, wacking off, or sitting on his bench drinking water.

With regard to Nadal, the reason he "happens" to take his T.O.'s when he is down, that is when his adrenaline levels usually drop, thus allowing more pain to be felt. It's a mere physical fact. winning = pain numbed away. Struggling = amplified or returned pain. Nadal is merely responding to his body's natural cues

He was gone way longer than 2 minutes. There is no specifically allotted time for bathroom breaks.

It would be nice to know exactly how long he was in there waiting for the sun to set and the air to cool down (his words).

[mandy01]

Originally Posted by TheTruth

I've never heard of this, Roger's interviews with Courier aren't serious. I don't believe that. We only have what he said we can't analyze their motives. That's actually the problem with this whole accusatory thing. No one knows whether Rafa was hurt or not, yet many declare him a cheater. Ironically, Fed admits to gamesmanship, but he wasn't serious.

It was an interview after the match. More than one person saw it as it was telecast worldwide. Everyone knows he said it, if he hadn't you couldn't say he wasn't serious. You've actually proved he did say it, by saying he didn't mean it. So, why would I need more proof?

Roger has in a FORMAL presser admitted that he dosen't take interviews with Courier seriously.But carry on believing what you want.

And what did he say anyway?What did I prove?
Anyone with a little bit of common sense will know that Roger wasn't expecting a slight shift in shadow that would occur in a span of less than two minutes to make ANY difference in the match at all.
And I saw that part of the match again.Roger wasn't even gone for two whole minutes.So can someone PLEASE explain to me where this gamesmanship occured?

And again please tell us-What admission of using gamesmanship are we talking about?
LOL The funny part is Roger is supposed to have admitted to using gamesmanship when he never actually used it in the first place

[mandy01]

Originally Posted by Bud

He was gone way longer than 2 minutes. There is no specifically allotted time for bathroom breaks.

It would be nice to know exactly how long he was in there waiting for the sun to set and the air to cool down (his words).

NO HE WASN'T. QUIT the lies.I SAW that match again..he was gone for less than two minutes and was already BACK when the umpire called time.

As for how long he was waiting for the sun to set and the air to cool-anybody with the slightest amount of common sense would know not to take that seriously at all unless they really think one minute here and there at the most was going to make any difference at all.

Funny how you do the disappearing act everytime someone counters your argument and go and spout out the same lies in other threads.

Nadal fans are REALLY, REALLY clutching at straws.