Again With The Footfaulting? - Page 8

JavierLW · 07-02-2010, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by sureshs

It has more credibility in doubles when the net man on the receiving side has a better view.

Can the net man call a FF or does it have to be the returner? (I think either can call)

Either can call of course. I would think you'd have a right to be more suspicious if the returner is calling it.

Unless the server is venturing several feet into the court or walks right into the court or is starting the whole motion while standing on the line (I know one guy that does that just to start an argument).

I know everyone says that everyone does it, and I know that you shouldnt do it.

But if depending on how you want to define "flagrant", that eliminates a lot of people. I know of only 3 or 4 people in my amateur tennis career that I would consider to be flagrant, and EVERYONE knows they do it, and THEY know they do it, and it does get called.

(it's flagrant because they either jump way into the court to get a head start or one guy is a lefty and he spins around and steps across in a sort of continuation of a circle which gives him a huge amount of lefty slice)

cll30 · 07-02-2010, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by kylebarendrick

I would just like to see people respond to a FF warning with some humility rather than hostility.

I agree. Bringing up foot faults in a tennis match often results in a nuclear response.

damazing · 07-02-2010, 05:29 PM

I had an opportunity to watch some really spectacular foot faulting the other day. The opponent server lined up right on the middle hash and would step over the middle to serve every time to the deuce court.

It wasn't even close he would cross the middle going into the same side that he was serving to all prior to throwing up the ball for the toss.

I probably should have said something, but since they were already hooking us on line calls I figured it would be a big fight for no benefit. (We had been breaking his serve every time)

JavierLW · 07-02-2010, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by damazing

I had an opportunity to watch some really spectacular foot faulting the other day. The opponent server lined up right on the middle hash and would step over the middle to serve every time to the deuce court.

It wasn't even close he would cross the middle going into the same side that he was serving to all prior to throwing up the ball for the toss.

I probably should have said something, but since they were already hooking us on line calls I figured it would be a big fight for no benefit. (We had been breaking his serve every time)

That's exactly when you should be able to exercise your right to call it.

You cant do anything about the bad line calls, but foot faulting is actually your call to make.

dizzlmcwizzl · 07-02-2010, 06:05 PM

From section 18 of the USTA rule nook

18. FOOT FAULT
During the service motion, the server shall not:
a. Change position by walking or running, although slightmovements of the feet
are permitted; or
b. Touch the baseline or the court with either foot; or
c. Touch the area outside the imaginary extension of the sideline with either
foot; or
d. Touch the imaginary extension of the centre mark with either foot.
If the server breaks this rule it is a “Foot Fault”.

tennytive · 07-02-2010, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JavierLW

www.usta.com (it has the rules on it somewhere)

You cant go over the baseline, the imaginary extension of the center hash mark, or the imaginary extension of the doubles sideline.

But "the sideline" is different depending on if it's singles or doubles. In doubles you can serve from behind the doubles alley, but in singles you can not.

Thanks for your answer. The guy is definitely foot faulting then.

And when I said I did a search and couldn't find it, I meant on these boards. I could have sworn I read it somewhere here. That's why I asked in case the one who may have posted that info could answer.

My bad.

hrstrat57 · 07-03-2010, 05:46 AM

I called one on myself Wednesday night.....the serve was a service winner(not returnable)

Our opponents said don't worry about it take the point, I said 2nd serve - it was blatant....

As for calling it against opponents I would only do so after multiple warnings and if the server was a serve and volley player and was gaining a clear advantage from the repeated violations....

Otherwise I would let the friendly recreational league match go on....most of the players in my mixed league foot fault a lot.....

It is a tough call tho, good thread.

herrburgess · 07-07-2010, 08:35 AM

I wonder if local league basketball players have heated debates on the nature of lane violations....

kylebarendrick · 07-09-2010, 01:47 PM

Nah, basketball players argue about 3 second calls and offensive fouls.

r2473 · 07-09-2010, 01:57 PM

I can't tell you how many times illegal defense is called on the courts where I play. That is a tight call, but usually called correctly IMO.

herrburgess · 07-09-2010, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by r2473

I can't tell you how many times illegal defense is called on the courts where I play. That is a tight call, but usually called correctly IMO.

You're not allowed to play zone in league basketball?

tennis tom · 07-11-2010, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Hugueley

...so why sweat it.

The only reason would be if your the type of person who likes to play by the rules, and, if the roving referee calls you on it, and, you fall apart, and, lose the match due to it.

Or, if your Serena Williams, lost a tournament due to it, did serious damage to your reputation, and precipitated a fine of $92,000.

r2473 · 07-12-2010, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by herrburgess

You're not allowed to play zone in league basketball?

No, I mean playground ball.

Don't you see this called like every other possession? Same with 3-seconds, taking a charge within the restricted zone, and of course goal-tending (most of us are playing 3 feet above the rim).

But nobody complains because we all understand the rules.

herrburgess · 07-12-2010, 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by r2473

No, I mean playground ball.

Don't you see this called like every other possession? Same with 3-seconds, taking a charge within the restricted zone, and of course goal-tending (most of us are playing 3 feet above the rim).

But nobody complains because we all understand the rules.

Ah, understand. I think the key to getting people to complain is to have the rules *explicitly* state that you can't call those types of things. Seems to be the consensus with footfaulting.

07-02-2010, 06:05 PM	#145
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07-03-2010, 05:46 AM	#147
hrstrat57 Professional Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: RI Posts: 1,010	good thread I called one on myself Wednesday night.....the serve was a service winner(not returnable) Our opponents said don't worry about it take the point, I said 2nd serve - it was blatant.... As for calling it against opponents I would only do so after multiple warnings and if the server was a serve and volley player and was gaining a clear advantage from the repeated violations.... Otherwise I would let the friendly recreational league match go on....most of the players in my mixed league foot fault a lot..... It is a tough call tho, good thread. __________________ Head Youtek Prestige MP(2) i Prestige MP(3) i Radical MP(3) ti radical MP paintjob, PS 85(2) Max 200G(2) many others in hiding

07-09-2010, 01:57 PM	#150
r2473 Legend Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,349	I can't tell you how many times illegal defense is called on the courts where I play. That is a tight call, but usually called correctly IMO. __________________ “It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.”

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