The Donald - Page 3

Rob_C · 07-16-2011, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jakemcclain32

Wanna know what's sad? Most any of us here could play Donald Young, and while we're not going to win the match, we could probably take 2-3 games off the guy based off his errors alone.

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Originally Posted by Rob_C

To the other guy who thinks he could get 2-3 games off DY, just goes to show you have no clue what you're talking about.

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Originally Posted by jakemcclain32

Hey Rob, AGAIN you do not read what I said.

I think my reading comprehension is just fine, thanks.

jakemcclain32 · 07-16-2011, 09:44 PM

No it's not. I said BASED OFF HIS ERRORS ALONE!

I never said any of us would outhit him, or kick his ***, or even get a point by our own volition. I'm saying HIS OWN MISTAKES!

I've also said I can easily be wrong on this(and odds are I really am), but I'm not afraid to make a theory like that.

NamRanger · 07-16-2011, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jakemcclain32

No it's not. I said BASED OFF HIS ERRORS ALONE!

I never said any of us would outhit him, or kick his ***, or even get a point by our own volition. I'm saying HIS OWN MISTAKES!

I've also said I can easily be wrong on this(and odds are I really am), but I'm not afraid to make a theory like that.

DY would wipe you out 6-0 6-0 clean.

dcdoorknob · 07-16-2011, 10:40 PM

People are reading what you wrote just fine. They just think that what you wrote about most of us getting 2-3 games from Young is ill-informed flat out wrong, to the point of being laughable and worthy of ridicule.

You can put HIS OWN MISTAKES in caps as often as you like, but people (myself included) have already read that and still think your opinion is completely out of touch with reality.

TennisandMusic · 07-16-2011, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jakemcclain32

No it's not. I said BASED OFF HIS ERRORS ALONE!

I never said any of us would outhit him, or kick his ***, or even get a point by our own volition. I'm saying HIS OWN MISTAKES!

I've also said I can easily be wrong on this(and odds are I really am), but I'm not afraid to make a theory like that.

But any of us would be so easy he wouldn't make those mistakes. We would just watch winner after winner fly by.

Big_Dangerous · 07-17-2011, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by fps

The fact that one of us amateurs has no weapon that could hurt him in any way, so he doesn't have to worry about anything other than hitting the ball, which he does miles better than any of us. He would barely lose a point against any of us.

He'd lose a few points because he's likely to double fault or make a few unforced errors through two sets. But yeah most of us would get double bageled maybe win one game against someone like Donald Young.

Watching that tiebreak between Young and Guccione, it's clear that aside from their serving, there really isn't a whole lot else in their games that makes me think they aren't just a few 4.5 level guys playing, if that.

jakemcclain32 · 07-17-2011, 07:13 AM

I actually think Donald Young has the tools to really make something of himself. Too many things in the way now, but I do.

All I'm saying is that, time after time after time in these matches(And I'm watching these matches), it's the same thing. I don't see DY getting outplayed necessarily, I just see him beating himself time after time. It doesn't matter if it's the #1 player in the world, or challengers. Same thing. That's where my theory came into play.

I haven't seen enough of Guccioni to make the 4.5 assumption, other than that hideous tiebreak, but I don't think DY's a 4.5. He's playing like one, but I don't think he is one. He just needs to get out of his head.

Rob_C · 07-17-2011, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by jakemcclain32

I haven't seen enough of Guccioni to make the 4.5 assumption, other than that hideous tiebreak, but I don't think DY's a 4.5. He's playing like one, but I don't think he is one. He just needs to get out of his head.

Another ridiculous statement. 4.5??? You don't think he's a 4.5??? Don't be so generous!!

And you've been watching his matches recently??? Aptos, Newport, etc??

jakemcclain32 · 07-17-2011, 10:42 AM

Rob, I've seen one match of Guccioni's. If I saw others like that, then I'd agree.

jakemcclain32 · 07-17-2011, 10:43 AM

And DY has a ton of tools man. His problem is his head.

Rob_C · 07-17-2011, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by jakemcclain32

Rob, I've seen one match of Guccioni's. If I saw others like that, then I'd agree.

I meant DY.

jakemcclain32 · 07-17-2011, 11:30 AM

Oh ok.

And let's be professional like this man. I've already made one mistake getting hot on someone that I shouldn't have been, and apologized. I don't want to get heated with people. Lots of intelligent conversation on here.

So I'll ask this. Why do you think DY is no more than a 4.5? I stand by what I did say, whether I'm wrong or not, but I believe he has all the tools without the noggin behind it.

Rob_C · 07-17-2011, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jakemcclain32

Oh ok.

And let's be professional like this man. I've already made one mistake getting hot on someone that I shouldn't have been, and apologized. I don't want to get heated with people. Lots of intelligent conversation on here.

So I'll ask this. Why do you think DY is no more than a 4.5? I stand by what I did say, whether I'm wrong or not, but I believe he has all the tools without the noggin behind it.

Jake, buddy. I was being sarcastic. DY is way above a 4.5. His level is probably 6.5, which means NTRP doesnt really apply to him.

NTRP is mainly for amateur players for tournaments & leagues so people play against players of similar ability.

onehandbh · 07-17-2011, 02:28 PM

DY would win 6-0, 6-0. He makes mistakes against other pros b/c of the
pressure and also the incoming balls are harder and better placed than the ones
you'd be hitting to him. His opponents cover much more court than you so
he is forced to go for much more.

It's like asking a MLB player that strikes out 150x a year to try to hit a
stationary ball on a T. He's not going whiff 3x.

AM95 · 07-17-2011, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jakemcclain32

I don't think people are understanding my point I'm making.

There's not a chance in hell ANY of us are going to beat him. He IS top 200 in the world. His serve is upwards of 125+. He's a physical specimen.

But I'm just saying that the guy has faced guys like Nadal and Hewitt, and made tons of errors. He's faced guys like Blake and lost because of errors. When he's been on his horrible losing streaks like he's been on in these qualifiers and wild cards, he makes these same mistakes. I'm not saying anyone on here is BETTER than Donald Young, because that's a numbnuts idea in itself. I'm just saying that, no matter who he plays, he plays the same way, makes a ton of errors, double faults a ton, and gets into his own head.

Now if he curbed the mistakes, every single one of us here would be lucky to get a point. That's just what I'm trying to say. I once got whacked in a tournament 1 and 1 by a guy WAY WAY past my level(I was 18 at the time), and the reason it was 1 and 1 instead of a double bagel because, in those two games he lost combined, he had 4 double faults and four errors.

Donald Young's problem, flat out, is his head more than anything else. He's still an elite player compared to the world, but he makes a LOT of mistakes(and the majority are unforced), and that's my point. What's keeping him from making mistakes against a lesser player?

notice how your examples are Nadal, Hewitt, and Blake, current and former top 10 players...

i doubt that you or anyone here could take donald young out of his comfort zone at all to make him make the errors he makes when playing professional players.

so your point really makes no sense.

jakemcclain32 · 07-18-2011, 08:47 AM

And my examples are also every other challenger player besides the best in the world too. Same thing.

Rhino · 07-18-2011, 06:25 PM

Young looking awesome in Atlanta.

Russell def. Young 6-0 6-3 first round.

SoBad · 07-18-2011, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhino

Young looking awesome in Atlanta.

Russell def. Young 6-0 6-3 first round.

Young will be winning ATP titles long after Russel retires from serving coffee to Gimelstob in the WTT commentator booth.

Rhino · 07-18-2011, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SoBad

Young will be winning ATP titles long after Russel retires from serving coffee to Gimelstob in the WTT commentator booth.

I'd be stunned if DY ever wins an atp title. I mean Newport is virtually a challenger and the guy can't make a dent.

hcb0804 · 07-18-2011, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhino

Young looking awesome in Atlanta.

Russell def. Young 6-0 6-3 first round.

Young's ultimate destination is South Fulton TC, giving "lessons" to all the chidren, in between his shifts at the McDonalds on Old National.

07-17-2011, 02:28 PM	#54
onehandbh Hall Of Fame Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,372	DY would win 6-0, 6-0. He makes mistakes against other pros b/c of the pressure and also the incoming balls are harder and better placed than the ones you'd be hitting to him. His opponents cover much more court than you so he is forced to go for much more. It's like asking a MLB player that strikes out 150x a year to try to hit a stationary ball on a T. He's not going whiff 3x. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL87F0C85ECE631F82&v=d8k3NUJ6B3I&feature=player_detailpage

07-18-2011, 06:25 PM	#57
Rhino Legend Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: South of London, west of Moscow Posts: 6,931	Young looking awesome in Atlanta. Russell def. Young 6-0 6-3 first round. __________________ Every breath you take contains an atom breathed out by Marilyn Monroe.

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