Völkl C10 Pro Club!

[TennisMaverick]

Originally Posted by Shasha

A pic from my Völkl C10 Pro (2008 Version)

I have a 2008 Stealth. Are you playing with yours stock?

[Shasha]

Originally Posted by TennisMaverick

I have a 2008 Stealth. Are you playing with yours stock?

Yep, I do.

Anyway I can find that 2008 model at some shop in Spain for like 100 euro or less.

[hoodjem]

With those specs, I am tempted. Does the 2008 version play the same?

(I like its 2008 pj better.)

[bad_call]

Originally Posted by McLovin

Alas, I am leaving the C10 Pro club in the near future. It has absolutely nothing to do with the frame itself with the exception of the weight. And again, it is not the fault of the frame, just that my shoulder can no longer handle the heft vs. college players for 3 sets.

I weighed mine the other day, and w/ strings/overgrip/dampener, it came in @ 12.6oz. I'm now looking at frames in the 12-12.2oz range to see if it helps with longevity.

Great frame, just too much heft for my 43yr old shoulder to handle. Look for some used 2008s in the 'For Sale' section in the coming weeks...

great frame but didn't have enough "teeth" for this kicking 60 yr old player. moved to 12-12.2 oz strung racquets and getting better results.

[OzNQc]

Hopefully TennisMaverick and others can chime in on aspects of the C10 Pro with respect to my T10 VE MP bats.

I remember seeing a post by Rush or someone who mentioned that the T10 VE MP was the direct followup of the C10 Pro rather than the DNX and PB sticks.

Can any of you remember this?

More importantly, can you confirm this in practical terms if you have played with both?

What is the sweet spot comparison between the two in practical terms?

I am not sure how the C10 Pros spec out in terms of Swing Weight but all my T10 VE MPs were 313-115 in SW which from memory, is well below the average SW of 320 measured on TW. I could be wrong there I remember someone saying that later production volkl models have reduced SW.

Anyway, how do your C10 Pros feel in SW?

Even better, have you measured your bats?

Once my 4 T10 VE MP bats die, it is time to look for new and similar candidates so all the info is appreciated.

[TennisMaverick]

Originally Posted by OzNQc

Hopefully TennisMaverick and others can chime in on aspects of the C10 Pro with respect to my T10 VE MP bats.

I remember seeing a post by Rush or someone who mentioned that the T10 VE MP was the direct followup of the C10 Pro rather than the DNX and PB sticks.

Can any of you remember this?

More importantly, can you confirm this in practical terms if you have played with both?

What is the sweet spot comparison between the two in practical terms?

I am not sure how the C10 Pros spec out in terms of Swing Weight but all my T10 VE MPs were 313-115 in SW which from memory, is well below the average SW of 320 measured on TW. I could be wrong there I remember someone saying that later production volkl models have reduced SW.

Anyway, how do your C10 Pros feel in SW?

Even better, have you measured your bats?

Once my 4 T10 VE MP bats die, it is time to look for new and similar candidates so all the info is appreciated.

The T10 VE MP was the direct follow-up stick to the T10 MP, which suceeded the C10 Pro, and was a throw-back to their heyday in the 80's with the VE TR 25 and T 9 30, but it was a fairly large diversion, since it was much stiffer. It could do everything, but it was definitely designed for the topspin hitter, and not the all-round feel type hitter which is usually associated with the 10 Line. Unfortunately, the market didn't like the traditional Volkl shape--although the T10 VE Mid is my all-time favorite.

The current C10 Pro is a little stiffer in the upper hoop, but nothing compared to the T10 VE MP. All 10s post C10 Pro, the T10, T10 VE, DNX 10, PB 10, and X10, all have much stiffer upper hoops. If you are looking for a replacement for your T10 VE MP, and if you want closer in material, weight and design, go with the London. Otherwise, the X10 325 is it, if you want to go heavy nano. It will do what you do with your VE with your standard shots, but much more with the difficult and emergency shots. It also has more bite. The stiffness level is similar, but the X10 feels much softer on contact.

[OzNQc]

Thanks tennismav!

I'll make sure to check out some of those T10 VE MP replacement candidates at some stage. It won't be any time soon but it is good to know what is coming up plus they may get dirt cheap in the future! I checked out the stock X10 325 specs and it looks pretty similar to the stock T10 VE MP specs. Then again, the specs are only a starting point and it really is about how the bats feel in the hand in the end

By the way, I don't play my T10 VE MPs stock. I have modified my T10 VE MPs to make them heavier (350 g) and I love them! Also, I play a hybrid setup with the strings, i.e., co-poly mains and synthetic crosses. However, I do wonder what natural gut would be like in it again! I once played with gut mains and co-poly crosses (Klip adrenalin?). It really felt too mushy and lacked the power that I normally get. It was a very weird natural gut experience in comparison to those with the wilson hypercarbon prostaff 5.0 bats which I used many moons ago! Do you have any thoughts on this?

You are right about the topspin capability of the T10 VE MP and it being a solid racquet but there is one other thing, they have awesome power especially on return of serve!!!!! I didn't really understand what you meant by heavier nanotech being able to deal with difficult and emergency shots. It would be great if you could explain this further. In my case, the T10 VE MPs have been fantastic on the difficult and emergency shots too! They are the best sticks that I have ever played with!!! Moreover, the experience is sweeter because I have won and lost some incredible matches with them!!

[max]

My C-9s are weighted up to 349 g. I like the fact that they have the Big Grommets, which are not in the C-10s. I'll take an honorary membership, if you'll let me in, and note that my C-9s are getting older and battered, and I'll step into a C-10 setting in about another year or so. God the C-9 is ugly! Love the C-10 2008 paint job FAR better: lot to be said for basic black.

[TennisMaverick]

Originally Posted by max

My C-9s are weighted up to 349 g. I like the fact that they have the Big Grommets, which are not in the C-10s. I'll take an honorary membership, if you'll let me in, and note that my C-9s are getting older and battered, and I'll step into a C-10 setting in about another year or so. God the C-9 is ugly! Love the C-10 2008 paint job FAR better: lot to be said for basic black.

A good replacement for the C 9 Pro is the London. It's dwell time is comparable to the BGT.

[Shasha]

Yeah 2008 cosmetics are really cool!

[tennisamba]

TM,

can you please tell me how the T10 II gen plays with respect to T10 VE and C10 pro? I have the opportunity to buy a T10 II gen.

[TennisMaverick]

Originally Posted by tennisamba

TM,

can you please tell me how the T10 II gen plays with respect to T10 VE and C10 pro? I have the opportunity to buy a T10 II gen.

That T10 Gen II was a favorite with a lot of C 10 users. It is stiffer in the upper hoop, so those who complained able the wet noodle feel or needed more power, went to that frame. It was a very easy transition. Both Kevin Kim and Eric Taino used them past '05, and they were painted to look like C 10s.

The T10 VE MP I assume(forget about the Mid if you are not a 5.5 player, PERIOD)?

If so, then you would like it if you preferred more topspin and had less feel to your game than a typical C 10/T10 user. It is stiffer throughout and more powerful. It was a really good Volkl for those who wanted the Volkl feel/precision with some more power, like a Wilson 6.1 of the time. It also had the BITD V-Bridge, which lengthened the mains and stiffened the bridge, so there was more bite. If you have a faster swing, this is a good stick to choose.

[tennisamba]

Originally Posted by TennisMaverick

The T10 VE MP I assume(forget about the Mid if you are not a 5.5 player, PERIOD)?

This racquet

http://www.voelkl-tennis.com/cms/fro...at=30&idart=47

[TennisMaverick]

Originally Posted by tennisamba

This racquet

http://www.voelkl-tennis.com/cms/fro...at=30&idart=47

Dude...seriously? I gave you the rundown on the Gen II!

I asked you which VE you were referring.

[tennisamba]

Originally Posted by TennisMaverick

Dude...seriously? I gave you the rundown on the Gen II!

I asked you which VE you were referring.

Sorry TM

I put the wrong link! Yes I meant MP.

Thanks a lot for all the info.

I am going to buy it !

[TennisMaverick]

Originally Posted by tennisamba

Sorry TM

I put the wrong link! Yes I meant MP.

Thanks a lot for all the info.

I am going to buy it !

Cool....most who used that stick loved it.

[Ramjet]

Agree on C10 pro 2008. I use it with a full bed of SPPP at 51lbs. Stick has awesome power, feel and spin. I tried various different racquets but just kept coming back. It does everything well, and actually swings fairly light for its weight. Very arm friendly also. Since the racquet is so soft, i think it does well with a little stiffer string (like the SPPP) rather than a gut or multi.

[Shasha]

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=393382

[tennisamba]

Originally Posted by TennisMaverick

Cool....most who used that stick loved it.

The Gen II arrived yesterday. Can you please suggest strings and tension?
I usually play with Gripper around 24 kg on the V1.
Thanks in advance!

[TennisMaverick]

Originally Posted by tennisamba

The Gen II arrived yesterday. Can you please suggest strings and tension?
I usually play with Gripper around 24 kg on the V1.
Thanks in advance!

This is a soft, traditional graphite frame, softer than the V1 with a stiffer hoop than the C10 Pro. Your V1 tension range should be a good start. If you want a stiffer string bed, string it 24kg both cross and mains. If you want a more plush string bed, like the V1, drop the cross string tension 1 kg.