Federer's racquet and retail

[fms]

He was using his regular 90 Tour at the US Open. I can see at a few points in the video where one might think it's bigger, but it seems it's the angle.
The only instance where I'm pretty sure he did use a bigger headsize was in that first set in the Davis Cup a while ago.

[BreakPoint]

Originally Posted by dr325i

I totally agree. I am not sure how can anyone CLEARLY see that there is about 5 mm extra on sides from his regular frame.
Definitely his normal frame, unless that Prince of his coach is 180 sq. in

Not sure what video you saw, but if judging only by the video I posted, his coach's frame looks to be almost the same size as Federer's frame. I suggest you watch it again.

[Povl Carstensen]

Originally Posted by Bobby Jr

I saw that video too but wasn't as convinced. Whenever someone shows me stills even the racquet is from varying angles which can easily give the perception of smaller head sizes... so pics of other frames look bigger by contrast - the pics in the "Huge news about Federer's racket" thread for example.

Notwithstanding, it's interesting to me what Ron says here and probably evidence that the stuff mentioned in the other thread was just the usual TT hype based on nothing other than some fool wanting to show he's in-the-know.

P1 do all of Roger's customising and stringing but would that include demo racquets he tried when not in-season? Ron?

I would have thought it's be simple and indeed astute of Wilson to easily have a couple of development guys who'd go to wherever Roger was training off-season (in Dubai for example where P1 don't service him if I recall from an old thread) and do some specific testing stuff right there and then with him - having multiple variations of flex/balance of a beta frame. How else would they ever develop the iterations of frames he's used otherwise? He is their biggest marketing plug so it makes sense to make best use of the the association.

Yes ofcourse he does secret testing without telling P1, ofcourse

[BreakPoint]

Originally Posted by Povl Carstensen

Yes ofcourse he does secret testing without telling P1, ofcourse

Well, to be more precise, Ron did say that Roger has not played with prototypes this year. It doesn't necessarily mean that Roger hasn't hit with other non-prototype frames this year, such as a BLX 95 or some other Wilson racquets that other Wilson sponsored pros are using, such as the one Dimitrov is using, which is 93 sq. in. and not available to the public. I think Mahut also uses a 93 or 95 Wilson that is not sold to the public.

[West Coast Ace]

Originally Posted by Bobby Jr

That's his normal frame imo. Doesn't look any bigger at all to me.

Me too.

Originally Posted by Bobby Jr

...evidence that the stuff mentioned in the other thread was just the usual TT hype based on nothing other than some fool wanting to show he's in-the-know...

Amen. When we get some offseason spy pics, an announcement from his website or Wilson, or he shows up at Doha with a Snowshoe, I'll believe it. Until then, just 'fertilizer'.

[aimr75]

Originally Posted by BreakPoint

such as the one Dimitrov is using, which is 93 sq. in. and not available to the public.

How do you know this?
looks like a regular blx90

[BreakPoint]

Originally Posted by aimr75

How do you know this?
looks like a regular blx90

"In the industry, Federer’s racket is generally considered the most challenging to handle, above all for the recreational set. Its 580-square-centimeter, or 90-square-inch, head is the smallest in use by a leading player today, although Aleksandr Dolgopolov and the rising star Grigor Dimitrov use the same model, but with a 93-square-inch head."

http://www.playdudeplay.com/?p=12708

[0d1n]

Originally Posted by FEDERERNADAL13

No you may not. ARTART can't share his source, but he's very legit.

No he's not. He's just making stuff up to get attention.

Originally Posted by Automatix

Thank you once again for shedding some light on the subject and unmasking those posting untrue info.

Originally Posted by drakulie

as always, thanks for your contribution.

Subscribe to the above.
Cheers RJYU.

[0d1n]

Originally Posted by BreakPoint

"In the industry, Federer’s racket is generally considered the most challenging to handle, above all for the recreational set. Its 580-square-centimeter, or 90-square-inch, head is the smallest in use by a leading player today, although Aleksandr Dolgopolov and the rising star Grigor Dimitrov use the same model, but with a 93-square-inch head."

http://www.playdudeplay.com/?p=12708

You are posting a "blog" as evidence.
I just read the whole NYTimes article which he claims is his source and nowhere is the Dimitrov so called 93 sq inch racquet mentioned.
That's his "inside info" a.k.a speculation.
The NYTimes article just "invents" a subject and puts some "bla bla" around it...there's nothing "new" in there either.
There is no way in h3ll Wilson would make a special one of a kind racquet for DIMITROV.
For Federer...that's possible. For Dimitrov ?? Not unless hell freezes over or he gets to be top 5-ish.

[corners]

Originally Posted by Bobby Jr

That's his normal frame imo. Doesn't look any bigger at all to me.

The reason why some think it's a larger frame is because that video has a distorted aspect ratio. It's compressed from top to bottom, or stretched from side to side, like if you watch a 4:3 feed on a 16:9 TV. Notice how Fed looks shorter and thicker than normal. When he's talking to Anacone and drops his racquet head so it's hanging straight down the head looks really wide, just like his trunk does in this distorted video.

[dgoran]

....as if we need more proof after ry stopped by but I was just about to say this regarding aspect ratios.

I like bp's enthusiasm re fed frames but come on...

[origmarm]

Originally Posted by RJYU

I'd like to know where you get your information from. How do you know Roger is playing with different specs? I think he's playing with the same specs as always.

Thanks as always for the info Ron. Interesting in light of the recent prototype that I played with. I was told by the person who had it that this was a prototype of "Roger's new racquet".

Given your comments and other people's comments in the thread it would appear that it may in fact be part of a new box beam line of racquets and this would be the "Team" version.

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showp...&postcount=405

Originally Posted by Bobby Jr

I saw that video too but wasn't as convinced. Whenever someone shows me stills even the racquet is from varying angles which can easily give the perception of smaller head sizes... so pics of other frames look bigger by contrast - the pics in the "Huge news about Federer's racket" thread for example.

Notwithstanding, it's interesting to me what Ron says here and probably evidence that the stuff mentioned in the other thread was just the usual TT hype based on nothing other than some fool wanting to show he's in-the-know

Bobby I hope you don't feel I misrepresented what I posted there with the pictures. I thought I had made it clear that the information I had was only on the authority of the chap who let me hit the racquet.

Cheers,

Orig

[Bobby Jr]

Originally Posted by origmarm

Bobby I hope you don't feel I misrepresented what I posted there with the pictures. I thought I had made it clear that the information I had was only on the authority of the chap who let me hit the racquet.

No, not at all. Your post was one of the only ones in that thread worth reading. It's mostly other people who post saying their Wilson rep told them so and so.

That aside, I doubt any local Wilson rep would be in possession of an actual Fed prototype - let alone lend it to a coach. I have no issue with prototypes per se and in fact have seen and played with a few over the years myself. But with organisations like Wilson it is highly unlikely that someone at the public/retail interaction level would be in possession of a truly special prototype. Reps, as they are inclined to, tend to make anything sound better than it really is. If that entailed saying a frame is a Federer prototype then I wouldn't doubt most would claim it or suggest it.

The reality is, outside of a very, very small group no-one even within Wilson would know what was in the works for Federer (frame and development-wise). There is absolutely no need for them to, and it would achieve nothing other than being a business risk for Wilson.

[ART ART]

Originally Posted by BreakPoint

"In the industry, Federer’s racket is generally considered the most challenging to handle, above all for the recreational set. Its 580-square-centimeter, or 90-square-inch, head is the smallest in use by a leading player today, although Aleksandr Dolgopolov and the rising star Grigor Dimitrov use the same model, but with a 93-square-inch head."

http://www.playdudeplay.com/?p=12708

At Last

You are right !

This is the information that wilson and his toys, don't wanna spread to the public !

Many will came back and say that this insn't true... just wait and see !

And YES Fed made some changes, and tested other rackets.

Money talks here...

[origmarm]

Originally Posted by Bobby Jr

No, not at all. Your post was one of the only ones in that thread worth reading. It's mostly other people who post saying their Wilson rep told them so and so.

That aside, I doubt any local Wilson rep would be in possession of an actual Fed prototype - let alone lend it to a coach. I have no issue with prototypes per se and in fact have seen and played with a few over the years myself. But with organisations like it is highly unlikely that someone at the public/retail interaction level would be in possession of a truly special prototype. Reps, as they are incline, tend to make anything sound better than it really is. If that entailed saying a frame is a Federer prototype then I wouldn't doubt most would claim it or suggest it.

The reality is, outside of a very, very small group no-one even within Wilson would know what was in the works for Federer (frame and development-wise). There is absolutely no need for them to, and it would achieve nothing other than being a business risk for Wilson.

Ah ok, you have me worried for a minute there .

Yeah I never thought it was an actual Federer prototype racquet if you see what I mean, more "The Federer Racquet" prototype i.e the one that was going to have his signature on it in the shops as opposed to something he plays with. Turns out from what I can tell it's likely going to be a series by (i.e. several different models) but it's just one big rumour mill at the moment so who knows. Personally I doubt the big man himself will change much if at all.

Always good to see Ron in here injecting the odd bit of info or disproving something. Good tweets from P1 also.

[Povl Carstensen]

Originally Posted by ART ART

Yes, Fed is playing with different specs since last months

Those values you post, I have posted in the past, you can search for it here on TT.

I will have the new specs in the next days...

cia

Originally Posted by RJYU

I'd like to know where you get your information from. How do you know Roger is playing with different specs? I think he's playing with the same specs as always.

Originally Posted by ART ART

At Last

You are right !

This is the information that wilson and his toys, don't wanna spread to the public !

Many will came back and say that this insn't true... just wait and see !

And YES Fed made some changes, and tested other rackets.

Money talks here...

I for one see no reason to trust ART ART over RJYU, but maybe ART ART can give me one?

[ben123]

Originally Posted by ART ART

At Last

You are right !

This is the information that wilson and his toys, don't wanna spread to the public !

Many will came back and say that this insn't true... just wait and see !

And YES Fed made some changes, and tested other rackets.

Money talks here...

i dont know what RJYU statement has to do with moneytalk? i mean if fed rly changed something many *******s would follow and it would be good for wilson and not bad?

.. also if you know his specs and you are not just a troll, why dont you just say them..

[BreakPoint]

Originally Posted by 0d1n

You are posting a "blog" as evidence.
I just read the whole NYTimes article which he claims is his source and nowhere is the Dimitrov so called 93 sq inch racquet mentioned.
That's his "inside info" a.k.a speculation.
The NYTimes article just "invents" a subject and puts some "bla bla" around it...there's nothing "new" in there either.
There is no way in h3ll Wilson would make a special one of a kind racquet for DIMITROV.
For Federer...that's possible. For Dimitrov ?? Not unless hell freezes over or he gets to be top 5-ish.

Um...the original New York Times article was posted here back in June:
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=385108

I even posted about the mention of Dimitrov's racquet being 93 sq. in. in that thread back in June: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showp...08&postcount=7

Originally Posted by BreakPoint

"In the industry, Federer’s racket is generally considered the most challenging to handle, above all for the recreational set. Its 580-square-centimeter, or 90-square-inch, head is the smallest in use by a leading player today, although Aleksandr Dolgopolov and the rising star Grigor Dimitrov use the same model, but with a 93-square-inch head."

I don't think that's true. I'm almost positive that Dolgopolov uses a PS 6.0 95 under his paintjob, and I thought Dimitrov uses a Tour 90. Now maybe Wilson has a 93 sq. in. version of the Tour 90 that they give to the pros, but Dolgopolov at least, isn't using it. And if it actually exists, why don't they just sell it to the public? They would sell tons of them!

Since then, obviously Wilson asked the NYT to remove that part of the article because they are trying to sell Dimitrov's racquets as the BLX90 and don't want to reveal in something as widely read as the NYT that it's a paintjob. That's why I linked the other website as it captured the original NYT article and not the current NYT website link as that has since been edited.

Oh, and Wilson isn't making a "one-of-a-kind" frame just for Dimitrov. It's probably a standard frame they've had for some time that they only give to their sponsored pros. I pretty sure many other pros also use it, including Mahut. What's so surprising about this? Many racquet companies make racquets that are not sold to the public but are only available to their sponsored pros. For example, Dunlop made a custom mold which pros like Blake, Haas, and Berdych amongst others used to use. They also had another mold which Fish used, and a different one which Robredo used, etc. Thus, Dimitrov is just choosing from the Wilson molds available to him.

[sureshs]

BP, use your contacts to get hold of the 93 frame

[fms]

It's always possible, but from photos it really looks like Dimitrov is using the 90, and not an unknown 93 version.
Also, that article is factually wrong, as Dolgopolov uses the PS 6.0 95. So it's more likely it's wrong about Dimitrov as well, than it is right, I suppose.