The Best multivitamin

[Power Player]

I play with a doctor who told me about trying better multis and also suggested dosing Vitamin D3 as well. He said that he is suggesting that to all his patients.

[mikeler]

Originally Posted by SystemicAnomaly

Nobody in sunny Florida works indoors during the day?

Of course not. We love typing on our computers in the blazing July sun.

[r2473]

Originally Posted by Power Player

r2, I don't know why you are being so snide about it. The "common man" does not exercise as much as us and exert themselves as much physically.

I love to eat and eat like a friggin' king. If I'm missing something from my diet, it ain't for lack of trying

And I ain't exactly exercising like a professional athlete. I lift a few weights, run a few miles, and play a few games. Maybe an hour a day. Not exactly a high demand.

Look, if you need 'em, take 'em. Like Ollinger said, there really is not way to know what is really in the bottles and no real way to compare. And like LuckyR says, any "research" you do will be comparing company marketing in reality. For all I know Centrum is as good as anything else. How the hell would anyone be able to really say differently?

Maybe read the book KevinT suggested in a different thread. If nothing else, it should keep you busy for a while (and put you right to sleep which will surely have a health benefit):

http://www.amazon.com/Advanced-Nutri.../dp/0495116572

Actually, I stand by my first post: Go with your gut.

[Power Player]

Oh, I am working out and exercising so much that I felt the need to make a few changes. If I was more laid back currently, I would be fine with the Centrum possibly.

[Kevin T]

Originally Posted by Power Player

Oh, I am working out and exercising so much that I felt the need to make a few changes. If I was more laid back currently, I would be fine with the Centrum possibly.

I think that's the point of disagreement. Is there really a need? None of us here is working as hard as college/pro/Olympic athletes and the majority of these guys/gals do just fine with whole foods.

http://www.hokiesports.com/nutrition/oasis.html

I have personal experience as an athlete at Tech. The multis on hand were Nature Made (can get them anywhere and always test high for actually containing what the label says) but were only recommended for those with horrible dietary practices. They have also used the "chocolate milk" post-recovery drinks for years, even before it was fashionable. I know their former sports dietitian well (Amy Freel)-she just moved to Indiana U. This link has a nice article about Nebraska's sports nutrition program and the focus on whole foods.

http://www.sportsrd.org/News_I0FI.html

Last I heard about Liz Applegate (UC-Davis professor), she was still team nutritionist for the Oakland Raiders and I know for sure she only recommends supplements as a last resort.

[Power Player]

I was having trouble with recovery and this is why the doc suggested the change. I'll be honest, so far it has really helped me out.

The 2nd link you posted says they do use supps, they just scrutinize them to make sure they are NCAA compliant . And I know they do for a fact anyway. I have close friends that played D1 NCAA football and all took issued supplements. What they are doing now is designing specific diets for each athlete, and that definitely makes a difference as well.

I don't train like a pro athlete, but I would say I train harder than the average person. 75 miles a week on the cycle, 3-4 days in the gym, 6-10 a week of tennis. It gets to you and can be tough to recover.

[Boricua]

I like collagen and echinacea to name two supplements.

I try to eat healthy and eat organic cereal and organic yogurt.

Besides multivitamins, fruits and vegetables are essential. A juicer is a great buy, I will get one in the future.

[Kevin T]

Originally Posted by Power Player

I was having trouble with recovery and this is why the doc suggested the change. I'll be honest, so far it has really helped me out.

The 2nd link you posted says they do use supps, they just scrutinize them to make sure they are NCAA compliant . And I know they do for a fact anyway. I have close friends that played D1 NCAA football and all took issued supplements. What they are doing now is designing specific diets for each athlete, and that definitely makes a difference as well.

I don't train like a pro athlete, but I would say I train harder than the average person. 75 miles a week on the cycle, 3-4 days in the gym, 6-10 a week of tennis. It gets to you and can be tough to recover.

Yes, they do issue supplements but these "supplements" are typically limited to a common multivite (such as Nature Made) and post-recovery drinks like Gatorade and something with a 2:1 carb/protein ratio. Nothing fancy. As the sports RD from 'Bama mentioned, the goal is to feed athletes the proper diet so the "other things" aren't necessary. When I first got to Tech, creatine was the big thing and all the strength coaches were pushing it. We literally had giant vats of it laying around. But that went bye bye pretty quickly. Supplements aren't just issued when athletes get on campus. He/She may have a one-on-one with the sports RD and if you have someone that just won't eat fruits/veggies, they'll get a multi. This is pretty common practice throughout the NCAA from my experience, as I played in the ACC, worked in this capacity with an SEC school and another ACC school. I teach now in the Cal system (and work in pediatrics) but have a lot of contact with the athletic programs...practice is nearly identical to my past experiences.

[r2473]

How often did you get shot up with the "real" supplements Kevin

[Kevin T]

Originally Posted by r2473

How often did you get shot up with the "real" supplements Kevin

Well, I got a "flu" shot once a week during my freshman year. Went from 325# bench to 425# in 3 months thanks to my enhanced "immunity". We used to get those from a guy in Michael Vick's dorm (just kidding, I was there way before Vick).

[Power Player]

Originally Posted by Kevin T

Yes, they do issue supplements but these "supplements" are typically limited to a common multivite (such as Nature Made) and post-recovery drinks like Gatorade and something with a 2:1 carb/protein ratio. Nothing fancy. As the sports RD from 'Bama mentioned, the goal is to feed athletes the proper diet so the "other things" aren't necessary. When I first got to Tech, creatine was the big thing and all the strength coaches were pushing it. We literally had giant vats of it laying around. But that went bye bye pretty quickly. Supplements aren't just issued when athletes get on campus. He/She may have a one-on-one with the sports RD and if you have someone that just won't eat fruits/veggies, they'll get a multi. This is pretty common practice throughout the NCAA from my experience, as I played in the ACC, worked in this capacity with an SEC school and another ACC school. I teach now in the Cal system (and work in pediatrics) but have a lot of contact with the athletic programs...practice is nearly identical to my past experiences.

Yeah, I would say Bama is one of the best nutrition programs in the NCAA. As a regular weightlifting, active guy it is tough to get that type of nutrition without serious assistance. I mean, I wish I could recover as well as I do now just drinking the chocolate milk recoveries and eating my healthy diet. It just did not work out for me, and I eat very healthy.

Anyway, I am not a massive supplement hound by any means. But I do need the joint and digestive support, as I have noticed a difference rather fast there. For me, the Orange Triad is extremely thorough in giving me all of those things. For others, a Centrum will work. I was taking Centrum complete for 2 years and needed more.

[LuckyR]

Originally Posted by Power Player

No you would be. And the reason for that is there are links posted in this thread that prove what I am saying, while you posted nothing.

You can make smart comments all day long and think you have it all figured out. Doesn't mean you know anything.

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't see the link to the peer reviewed article comparing premium priced multi vitamins to cheap drugstore brands and noting a difference in clinical outcome (not some benchtop theoretical superiority).

Oh, that's right, there isn't any. I stand by by first post (as does your accountant).

[Power Player]

Go ahead, you are older and most likely don't lift as hard or exercise as much as me, so your opinion and lack of experience mean nothing.

[r2473]

Originally Posted by Kevin T

Well, I got a "flu" shot once a week during my freshman year. Went from 325# bench to 425# in 3 months thanks to my enhanced "immunity". We used to get those from a guy in Michael Vick's dorm (just kidding, I was there way before Vick).

Those are supplements I can believe in.

425#? Holy*@#!&*!! I couldn't even roll that across the floor.

[maggmaster]

Come on you could dead that.

Multivitamins- I take one from Costco, I didn't used too but I started about 4 months ago. Don't really notice much but I figure for less than 3 cents a day I might as well. Otherwise I take fish oil and drink some protein post workout. My training schedule is pretty heavy too. I am in the gym for at least a hour a day, I hit everyday and I play 3 practice matches per week.

[LuckyR]

Originally Posted by Power Player

Go ahead, you are older and most likely don't lift as hard or exercise as much as me, so your opinion and lack of experience mean nothing.

Yes, you're right, those of us who have accumulated more practical life experience were never young and exercised a lot nor lifted. Sheesh... HDITG?

[Power Player]

You should be old enough to have figured out that nobody appreciates a snide know it all who actually knows nothing about the topic. I'll ignore you for now, since you add nothing to the site for me anyway, and I don't need the derailing argument you are seeking out.

And you are right, health science has not evolved since you were young. Only tennis racquets and strings right? And you call me dumb, that's just idiocy.

[r2473]

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[Ramon]

I love when people say they can get all the nutrients they need "naturally". They say Aboriginis, for example, do just fine with their diet. Well, unless you are including dirt, worms, snails, insects and maggots in your diet then you aren't getting all the trace minerals and essential amino acids that come from those sources, so you aren't really copying their diet unless you include all that.

[r2473]

^^ I can see a new book coming out of this. "Train like an Aborinini". Cookbook, DVD, the whole deal.

So, how do you like your dirt?