NFL 2011 discussion thread!

[thug the bunny]

Originally Posted by DjokovicForTheWin

Anybody good at making picks? I'm just picking them randomly against the spread and doing terribly in my pool. SOSSSSSSS

Wait, you're picking AGAINST the spread? If this is a straight-up pool the spread is a good starting point as to who to choose. If there is a 14 pt spread on a game, even if you loose the game in an unbelievable underdog win, so will most of the others in your pool. The key is picking the low spread winners, and one or two underdogs. Spread, movement in spread, injuries, play styles, recent W/L trends, strengths/weaknesses on both sides of the ball, and recent performances of key personnel (game changers), are all variable to look at.

[DjokovicForTheWin]

Originally Posted by thug the bunny

Wait, you're picking AGAINST the spread? If this is a straight-up pool the spread is a good starting point as to who to choose. If there is a 14 pt spread on a game, even if you loose the game in an unbelievable underdog win, so will most of the others in your pool. The key is picking the low spread winners, and one or two underdogs. Spread, movement in spread, injuries, play styles, recent W/L trends, strengths/weaknesses on both sides of the ball, and recent performances of key personnel (game changers), are all variable to look at.

I mean I have to take into consideration the spread, it's not a straight pick em. For example if a very good team is playing a bad team, they are often favoured by 14 points or more, in which case if you pick the favourite they have to win by at least that many points. That really makes every game almost 50-50, which is of course how Vegas makes its money.

[Ben Hadd]

I'm a Bills and Panthers fan. I can't believe one of my teams is actually winning this year!

[LeeD]

Tebow has good mobility, a decent runner, a passable arm, and very smart.
Vick has the first 3 in spades, and the opposition is crushing him week after week until he really get's injured.
Don't want Tebow to go thru the crushing. I'd think running from a 250 lbs linebacker who's as fast as a DB would discourage running.

[jamesblakefan#1]

Originally Posted by LeeD

Tebow has good mobility, a decent runner, a passable arm, and very smart.
Vick has the first 3 in spades, and the opposition is crushing him week after week until he really get's injured.
Don't want Tebow to go thru the crushing. I'd think running from a 250 lbs linebacker who's as fast as a DB would discourage running.

Vick's offensive line is horrible this year, that has more to do with him getting crushed. Don't know how Denver's O-Line is though, but the Eagles have one of the worse in the NFL.

[LeeD]

Pretty acknowledged that the Colts have the worst O line.
When you have bad pass protection, you don't run around in the pocket looking for 4th and 5th alternatives.
Part of the reason for the 49'ers success is that Smith gets rid of the ball ala Peyton.
When Smith tries to make something happens, he get's hit and fumbles, throw IT's, or misses by a mile.
You know, the classic 3 step drop and THROW THE BALL. Slants, outs, and fly's give the receivers a fair chance to catch a bad throw.

[jamesblakefan#1]

Originally Posted by LeeD

Pretty acknowledged that the Colts have the worst O line.

I said ONE OF, not the worse.

When you have bad pass protection, you don't run around in the pocket looking for 4th and 5th alternatives.
Part of the reason for the 49'ers success is that Smith gets rid of the ball ala Peyton.
When Smith tries to make something happens, he get's hit and fumbles, throw IT's, or misses by a mile.
You know, the classic 3 step drop and THROW THE BALL. Slants, outs, and fly's give the receivers a fair chance to catch a bad throw.

When you have bad pass protection, sometimes the defenders are still on you after 3 steps. Do you know how fast some of these D-linemen are? It's not as simple as you make it sound, or else anyone could play QB in the NFL. Even after Vick's getting rid of the ball he's getting crushed because of the weak o-line.

[thug the bunny]

Vick's offensive line is horrible this year, that has more to do with him getting crushed.

Yup. He and his O line are making me a happy puppy so far this year.

Pretty acknowledged that the Colts have the worst O line.

And they also have Kerry Collins. I suffered through 5 brutal years with him.

[LeeD]

I sorta DO know what it's like playing QB.
JV, I was OLB, blindside, desinated pass rusher.
Both years Varsity, strong side LB, QB's face, and once again, my only responsibility was to rush the passer and contain sweeps my side.

[jamesblakefan#1]

Originally Posted by thug the bunny

And they also have Kerry Collins. I suffered through 5 brutal years with him.

Hey, don't remind me of how horrible Kerry Collins is. At least he didn't leave your team and then decide to be good all of a sudden - leaves Oakland after sucking and then leads Tennessee to the playoffs.

Raiders have a history of that - Moss stunk here then decides he wants to play in NE (granted when you have Tom Brady throwing to you instead of the aforementioned Collins, it's understandable); Charles Woodson was good here, then looked like he was losing a step, but goes to GB and helps lead them to a SB title; DeAngelo Hall was garbage, then goes to Wash and is still garbage, but at least contributes from time to time.

[thug the bunny]

That's Collins' problem - inconsistency. If I remember correctly, he was good for the last 5 games of '01 to get the Gmen to the playoffs, then kind of stumbled through them, and then of course, looked like a blind pig trying to do calculus in the super bowl.

[LeeD]

I think Collins is a fine QB, IF you give him 6 seconds minimum for him to make his decisions.
His slow feet take time, his slow decision making takes time, but he has an accurate and strong arm when given time, and protection that keeps him upright the whole game will be rewarded with long completed passes.
Knock him down early, he's down.

[jamesblakefan#1]

Niners won again for some reason. Sexy Rexy not so sexy anymore after 4 INTs.

Jason Campbell out for the season?!?!!? This means the illustrious Kyle Boller is now QB. Bring in Garrard, or trade for Palmer if you have to. We're too good this year to have Kyle Boller ruin everything.

[Fed Kennedy]

Loving Harbaughs unsportsmanlike GOATing today. Shades of Nadal.
GOTTA BELIEVE
The EMPIRE STRIKES BACK!

[CCNM]

All right Niners!!!!! At least the Lions won't be breaking the record for going undefeated this year! Didn't know Kerry Collins was still around.

[LeeD]

Campbell can play 2 weeks after his bone sets, but another fall on the shoulder is guaranteed to need pins and 6 month recovery time.
Most clavicle breaks set in 8-11 days. Then it's immediate PT to get motion and flexibility, but it's fragile for another month or so.
I've broken clavicle's 4 times.
Every one, back to windsurfing for fun (NOT racing), or motocross (organized racing, AMA or CMC Novice 125's) within 20 days.
If I was paid a couple mil, I'd take at least 6 weeks off, then limited backup play only.
KyleBoller is a fine QB who's tougher than that wimpy Jason. Once again, 3 step drops, get rid of the ball on 8 sub 15 yard patterns and 2 flys. NO defence can get in there that quickly....not even LT.

[jamesblakefan#1]

2 1st round picks for Palmer...we need a QB but not for that much. Palmer was already looking washed up last year. But maybe a new team will motivate him to be good again...this is a big risk.

[jamesblakefan#1]

[PureAlph4]

Yahoo Sports reporting it as 2012 1st rounder and 2013 2nd rounder.

Either way it's a high price to pay for a 31 year old non-elite QB.

BUT, Palmer offers the potential of the most competent QB in Oakland since Gannon. Is the rest of the team good enough to justify this move in terms of guaranteeing immediate success? Questionable, but after the dark days post-SB the Raiders are looking more and more legitimate.

[jamesblakefan#1]

Originally Posted by PureAlph4

Yahoo Sports reporting it as 2012 1st rounder and 2013 2nd rounder.

Either way it's a high price to pay for a 31 year old non-elite QB.

BUT, Palmer offers the potential of the most competent QB in Oakland since Gannon. Is the rest of the team good enough to justify this move in terms of guaranteeing immediate success? Questionable, but after the dark days post-SB the Raiders are looking more and more legitimate.

The O-Line has played well this year outside of penalties, I think Campbell was the least sacked QB in the NFL and of course one of the top run games w/ DMC and Bush. That's going to be the key regardless of who the QB is, DMC has to stay healthy if we want to make the playoffs.

As far as receivers, the talent is there, just young - DHB has looked better this year, along with Moore and Ford, and Louis Murphy and Chaz Schillens are both good though they are made of glass. Also Boss has been good as TE, and of course DMC catching out of the backfield as well. The talent is there, Carson just has to be ready and do his part, and this trade could work out.

Funny thing is, I was thinking all year of how talented we are, but that Jason, even though he was playing ok, wasn't quite the franchise QB we needed to win us games with his arm. Maybe Palmer can step in, regain his old form, and be that guy. Will he be like Plunkett and Gannon and revive his career, or like Aaron Brooks, Culpepper, Collins, and be a total bust? Hopefully the former and not the latter.