changing perceptions of tennis records

[pc1]

Originally Posted by TMF

My opinion are back up by facts. I use stats/achievements to support my point. And the result of a poll IS fact...for instance, if a public poll had Fed receiving the most votes by all fans around the world as the greatest player, I have a strong case to bring this up.

TMF,

A poll isn't necessarily a fact. For example if I had a poll asking who is the best right handed tennis player let's say Federer won the poll with Nadal second. Is that accurate? I'm sure some people voting wouldn't know Nadal is a lefty and vote for him because he's famous.

Now of course the RESULT of a poll is fact but the poll result may really not be accurate because the fans may been casual fans.

Some players in sports have won polls for most underrated player and most overrated player in the same year or at least been on both lists! I doubt if both can be true.

There was a poll in the late 1940's in which Dewey was suppose to defeated Truman and become President of the United States. It didn't happen. Truman won. Polls aren't always true.

http://history1900s.about.com/cs/tru...eweytruman.htm

In an election a poll is an least an indicator of results but a poll on tennis warehouse really just shows the opinions of the people here which is fine but you can't call it fact.

[BTURNER]

Originally Posted by pc1

TMF,

A poll isn't necessarily a fact. For example if I had a poll asking who is the best right handed tennis player let's say Federer won the poll with Nadal second. Is that accurate? I'm sure some people voting wouldn't know Nadal is a lefty and vote for him because he's famous.

Now of course the RESULT of a poll is fact but the poll result may really not be accurate because the fans may been casual fans.

Some players in sports have won polls for most underrated player and most overrated player in the same year or at least been on both lists! I doubt if both can be true.

There was a poll in the late 1940's in which Dewey was suppose to defeated Truman and become President of the United States. It didn't happen. Truman won. Polls aren't always true.

http://history1900s.about.com/cs/tru...eweytruman.htm

In an election a poll is an least an indicator of results but a poll on tennis warehouse really just shows the opinions of the people here which is fine but you can't call it fact.

the results of a poll represent a series of facts, but none with very much value in this context. The results of a 'TW 'poll' is also factual but it is of even less value because the poll is unscientifically drawn. It does not meaure anything accurately, including the views of people who use TW websites because it does not properly weigh for the variables as a professional pollster would.

[Datacipher]

Originally Posted by TMF

My opinion are back up by facts. I use stats/achievements to support my point.

This does not make your OPINION a fact. If a person presents an opinion supported by facts, then it can lend strength to the opinion; then others can examine the facts which you feel support your argument.

That however, is often not the case with you, particularly when you state facts that are either erroneous, irrelevant, or inadequate to support your conclusion. A typical example would be when you will attack another poster with something like: The Williams sisters ARE bad people. That is FACT! You haven't watched as much tennis as I have, I have watched almost all their match, I have seen their rude behavior, capiche?!

Originally Posted by TMF

And the result of a poll IS fact...for instance, if a public poll had Fed receiving the most votes by all fans around the world as the greatest player, I have a strong case to bring this up.

This has been explained to you over and over, and indeed, it's deeply troubling that you are unable to understand the difference between fact and opinion.

The existence of the poll is a "fact". That in no way implies that the opinions expressed in the poll are a "fact". You are (in fact), simply basing your opinion on the opinion of others.

This was designed for small children, but perhaps this can help you....even the first examples:

http://www.educationoasis.com/curric...ion_Packet.pdf

[Limpinhitter]

Originally Posted by TMF

My opinion are back up by facts. I use stats/achievements to support my point. And the result of a poll IS fact...for instance, if a public poll had Fed receiving the most votes by all fans around the world as the greatest player, I have a strong case to bring this up.

Hahaha! TMF, the result of a poll is a fact about an opinion.

[timnz]

Originally Posted by TMF

No i didn't. But so what? Am I not have the right to for an opnion? EVen Agassi who's around my age haven't seen player's in the past, is his opinions not as accurate as yours or any older people. Even Borg who didn't get a chance to watch Tilden and Pancho. Should his judgement on the great players in history means little too?

I'm just going by fans' opinion on these aforementioned names which are in tier 1 great, whether if those fans have watched tennis since 20s or the 80s.

Actually Borg played, and lost, to Gonzales He was only 16 at the time but he got to see how great pancho was from the other side of the net