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09-05-2011, 02:00 PM
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Since I went out of town my exercising has been inconsistent. But that stops today! Today, I've already done my workout.
 It sure doesn't take long to get out of shape. 
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10-25-2011, 12:04 PM
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Low carb diet starting on 3/26/2011: 195 lbs at 22% body fat
Currently as of 10/22/2011: 170 lbs at 14.9% body fat Results: 25 lbs and 7.1% body fat lost Goal: 11% body fat
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10-25-2011, 12:14 PM
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November 2010: 250 lbs. @ 27.5%
March 2011: 210 lbs. @ 17.5% September 2011: 200 lbs. @ 13% Today: 210 lbs. @ 16.5% 205 @ 15% is as low as I can go and still be able to eat "normal".
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10-25-2011, 02:44 PM
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10-25-2011, 02:50 PM
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Bod pod. Just had a test this morning.
My diet is officially over. By the way, I'm 6' 1/2". September is just a guess by the way based on today's test and the other tests. Just don't think I can stay below 15% unless I watch what I eat (and that ain't gonna happen).
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10-26-2011, 04:54 AM
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Please. You will regret. Oh.. You already started..... Just saw.. Well here is something you should know, maybe you already realized.. 195lbs X 0.071(body fat that u lost) = 13.8 lbs So you lost 13.8 lbs of fat. Where is (25 - 13.8 = ) 11.2lbs... From your muscle.... So you have lost 60% fat with 40% muscle... And you know whats bad things about low carb diet? Whats coming AFTER. You might lose weight in the beginning, but keeping off the track is another story.. Also simple carbs (sugar) Such as glucose. It's very important to brain. "The Institute of Medicine recommends 130 grams (520 kilocalories) of carbohydrate per day, which is the average minimal usage of glucose by the brain" There is more... But you should search it and how bad is the popular diets are.. Good luck! If you need any help kikiviva@hotmail.com |
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10-26-2011, 06:51 AM
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By the way your little "calculation" fails to take into account the water loss which is common on low carb diets as your body sheds itself of gylcogen which retains water. Also, my body fat numbers are just estimates taking with an inexpensive Slimguide caliper. Finally, if I am suffering so badly from my low carb diet, why am I playing the best tennis of my life at age 52? Why were all of my recent blood work profile markers (cholesterol, HDL, LDL, triglycerides, blood glucose) in the excellent range?
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10-26-2011, 07:39 AM
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He ended with 144 pounds lean body mass....170 * .85 = 144 He lost 25 pounds total; 8 pounds LBM and 17 pounds fat. So about 1/3 of his loss was LBM (which is certainly not all muscle). Add to this the fact that he **probably** underestimated his bodyfat% at the beginning. Very common. All in all, his results are about what you might expect to see. Quote:
Why is my LBM loss lower? Probably because my initial bodyfat test was more accurate is my guess. Other methods had me closer to 23% (online calculators, bodyfat bathroom scale, etc). That would have started me 10 pounds LBM higher, resulting in a 40% LBM loss. That's my take on it anyway.
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10-26-2011, 10:32 AM
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Yes, i know water loss is common on low carb. You suppose to weigh with water. That's the FINAL answer for correct weight loss. you know that atkins diets only let you get 20 grams a day. then added 5 grams. No bread or pasta, fruits, vegetables, or juice. Of course you will lose weight if you restrict an entire nutrition group. You are dramatically decreasing the amount of calories you're putting into your body. But fruits and vegetables also enhance feeling of fullness because of their naturally high water and fiber content and provide your body with healthy fiber, folate, and other heart protecting, brain-boosting, libido-lifting, mood-enchancing, essential vitamins and nutrients. You are cutting those out. Plus you are making your body crave. Restricting foods will only make you crave them more and more. end up binging instead later. also, im wondering when did you get your medical exam. I know Low carb actually decrease cardiovascular disease risk. but what about Colon cancer, heart disease, impaired kidney function, complications of diabetes, osteoporosis, and other effects. Constipation 68% Headache 60% Bad breath 38% Muscle cramps 35% Diarrhea 23% General weakness 25% and you know what? My host mom was on low-carb diet (she was strong and well controlled her diet) she lost 100 lbs i think.. but in 3-6 months she gained 50lbs easily. she did not eat like monster after diet. she was controlling her kilo-calories intake, still she was gaining weight.. And i have seen what she's eating... I pity her.. all effort she put on, soon or later would be gone. you might be playing better, because of poor eating habit in the past. But you won't last long in the match. also i respect you in every way, you lived longer than me you might know more than me. I did not want to be rude. I just have seen people thought they were succeeded in diet. but later on it came back. I feel really bad about them. But this is what i have seen and hear from books / internet / article / nutrition specialist. |
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10-26-2011, 10:51 AM
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Again, you are either ignorant or misinformed about the Atkins diet. I don't do Atkins but I know enough about it to know you have some big misconceptions about it. First even in its MOST restrictive phase in terms of CHO intake called Induction, you are supposed to eat 20 NET grams (add back fiber) and you are not prohibited from eating fruits and vegetables. In fact the diet recommends that all your carbs come from these sources during Induction. Do you have any idea that 20 net grams of CHO from broccoli is about 5 cups which is one hell of lot more than most people who aren't doing Atkins eat in a day. Induction only lasts two weeks anyway, then you can add back more carbs if you feel like it. You are not dramatically decreasing the amount of calories you put in your body - again you are completely ignorant or misinformed. Your body has zero "need" for carbs the way it needs protein or fat. Specifically there are no deficiency diseases associated with low levels of CHO, however, there are deficiency diseases associated with both low levels of protein for the essential amino acids, and for fats. That should tell you something, eh? I had a medical exam in July after starting the diet in March. None of those things you listed (nice strawman by the way) have been shown to be associated with low carb dieting. Please cite peer-reviewed studies and not just some web site with an anonymous author to back up your claims or they are just so much more hot air from you. Seriously, you have no idea about me and to make claims about me and how I play based on nothing more than your misguided and incorrect assumptions is just more arrogant ignorant crap from you. Your host mom like most people who gain the weight back did so after STOPPING her low carb diet. How can you blame the diet for her gaining the weight back? If she'd stayed on it, she'd still be 100 pounds lighter. I really think now that I'm debating with a teenager. Is that correct? No offense to teenagers because I have two of my own who are pretty smart but how about doing some actual research on a topic before showing your ignorance about it in front of thousands of people on the internet?
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10-26-2011, 12:04 PM
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People discuss, ask, learn from other people. You started off calling me ignorant. I am just normal user who wants to learn from who knows better and I just wanted share what I thought of. I actually doesn't know much as you on Atkins diet. I actually just found out it was net gram. In the book "Big Book of Food & Nutrition" it didn't says that. I guess i was misinformed. But thats why i am in here. To learn from my mistake and from others. Now i know its Net Gram. this is what's forum for, I hope you don't just go off at people, because they are misinformed and calling them ignorant. Like you are about to punish your son if they were misinformed. You could fix if i said was wrong. Not just go banana, just tell me this is informed and bla bla . You have lived longer than me, i do respect you. But you should know better about respecting others. However I apologize of my lackness on Atkins diet. And now i know i don't know much about Diets, and i never done it. I am more like Physiotherapy guy. so im asking you, are you telling me, does who are on low carb diet, they have to be on diet forever? Because if they eat a ice cream, it's all over. also my host mom kept restricting her carb, but increased 5-10 per week. I don't know the exact numbers tho. but clearly she does not eat carbs much as other women does. also i got the disease information from this site. http://www.atkinsdietalert.org/advisory.html I know it isn't direct to low carb diets disease since there isn't much long term articles. But high protein and other such so on.. Anyways the things about i don't understand diet is there is away to lose fat without restricting food that you could eat. They just have to spend sometime in the gym... But society is getting busier and busier. I guess that's why.. Last edited by kikiviva : 10-26-2011 at 12:08 PM. |
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10-26-2011, 12:35 PM
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If you want to have a calm, intelligent dialog with me about diets I'm more than willing to do that. However, your first step would be to go back to what you originally wrote that I responded to and STOP DOING THAT, at least until you know more about low carb diets than you now admit that you do. It is my understanding that atkinsdietalert is a site set up and supported by zealot vegans and I do not believe it is a credible source of information. Many vegans hate low carb diets because they incorrectly believe they are high protein and they further believe that most of that protein has to come from our little furry friends. This is in fact not the case for the vast majority of these diets. They are high fat and low carb with moderate protein. Most people should not be eating more protein on a low carb diet than they were on a standard american diet (SAD). To answer what I think is your most important question, in my opinion YES a low carb diet is a lifetime lifestyle change. It is a way of eating (WOE) that someone would adopt with the intention of staying on it their entire life. That is my plan and it is the way the other successful low carb dieters I know see their diet. If you just want short term weight loss then a low carb diet is terrible imo because like your host mom, if you quit the diet you will likely gain all the weight you lost back and then some. The initial gains will just be from water and glycogen as their muscles are replenished with the stuff when they start eating the extra carbs but eventually they'll likely gain back all the fat they lost as well. No, eating one high carb item will not result in 'its all over'. Some low carb diets (go look up cyclical ketogenic diets) even have regular 'carb up' periods. I did one of these very successfully for 9 months before but it truly is a very difficult diet to stick to. The one I'm on currently which is essentially a low carb diet for as much of the time as possible is very easy to stick to.
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10-26-2011, 12:50 PM
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i was just telling you to stop diet, because what i seen and heard wasn't really good for the health. you could just told me, why should i stop it if there is bla bla bla benefits and other facts. not just starting off, hey you have wrong information about diets. so you are ignorant. My professors never called me ignorant, because i have wrong information. they believe that its one steps forward to new information and getting right information to the knowledge. I am not perfect, so does everyone. People make mistakes and I did. I tried to back up with my theory where i thought it was right information. but you started calling me ignorant because i am wrong. so linesman who makes wrong call and hawk eye correct them. does that makes them blind? |
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10-26-2011, 01:06 PM
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I am not perfect either by the way and never claimed to be. You will NEVER however, see me telling anyone anywhere that low carb dieting is the only approach that works or that it is the best for everyone or even for most people. If you see me do that then feel free to justifiably blast me the way I blasted you because I would be clearly wrong to do that. No, it doesn't make the linemen blind but it does make them wrong.
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10-26-2011, 03:51 PM
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Earlier i asked, what happen those people who stopped low carb diet. You said, they gained weight because they stopped.. Well so they have to live without candy, ice cream and others for rest of their lives? The diet would never end? Because if you eat those you would be cheating and it isnt diet anymore.. I am wondered how people can live forever without awesome taste of sweets? I guess thats why the 2 year research says that many people dropped out when they r testing. |
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10-26-2011, 06:52 PM
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Yes, giving up those things is hard for many reasons and the long-term success rate for low carb diets is low. But you know what? I have seen studies that point out the long-term success rates for ALL types of diets is pretty low, not just low carb. One reason I think it is even harder to stay on low carb diets long term is that we are constantly bombarded with billions of dollars in ads for high carb foods through the media. That is hard for anyone to ignore. Some people just aren't mentally strong enough to overcome those constant media messages. There is also sometimes social pressure to eat high carb food when you go out with friends or to a party, where there may be plentiful high-carb treats and not much else to eat. Believe me, I've been there done that, and it can be done. On the other hand, a low carb diet offers many delicious foods that can be eaten until you feel full. Like I said before it won't take as much low carb food to make you feel full. I always eat what I want, I NEVER count calories, and I certainly don't miss that high carb crap I used to eat at all. To be honest the couple of times I've had anything sugary in the last few months it tasted awful and I felt bad later. As to your point that "Because if you eat those you would be cheating and it isnt diet anymore," that is not actually true. If I have a high carb meal every once and a while it won't kill me or make me gain weight if I go back to low carb afterwards. A month or so ago my wife wanted sushi so I went with her and ate some. I could have had sashimi but I decided to eat a couple of sushi rolls anyway and guess what? I'm still on the diet, still losing body fat, still playing the best tennis of my life, and still planning on doing it for the rest of my life. The diet fairy did not visit me and take away my low carb membership card because I ate more carbs one meal than I usually do. We are all human and have to make our diets work in the real world after all. If someone doesn't think they could do a low carb diet long-term then my advice would be not to start it at all. But if you understand the diet and are committed to it, it will work great for many people. I know it has for me and several of my friends.
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10-27-2011, 05:58 AM
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I think the key is looking at it as "lifestyle change" rather than "diet", as you mentioned before Beernutz....that change in mindset makes it similar to quitting smoking or any other conscious long-term decision rather than a short-term "I'll just do this until I get to my goal and then go back to normal."
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10-27-2011, 06:14 AM
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12-21-2011, 01:21 PM
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I like the discussion on low carb, but wish we could avoid some of the insults. Most of us are still learning and I experienced some of the problems mentioned when I did the Atkins diet 10 yrs ago. I did feel some endurance probs, along with some cramping issues. Probably needed more fruits and vegi's, but didn't know that at the time and was eating more of them than I had in the past. Thanks for the info! I like this thread and would like to join in. age 51 and hit 230lbs in Oct, 2011...about 29% body fat (bad i know) started CrossFit and HIIT intervals and lost about 7 lbs in 2 weeks. I'm at about 218 lbs and 24% body fat now ( Dec) still doing HIIT, which really is helping my tennis even with little tm on court, and have not got to play much tennis lately due to stitches. I'm thinking now with stitches removed I can hit the courts more and make a move on breaking the 210 level, maybe 21% bf. First major goal is to get under 200lbs with about 17% bf and then on to somewhere in the 180s like maybe 187 at 12% body fat.
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12-21-2011, 01:54 PM
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....my 2011 weight loss club membership was worth it. I went from 250 to 205. Hope to hit ~195 by May 1. I'm in no real hurry.
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