Basel Open 2011

[beast of mallorca]

Originally Posted by Sid_Vicious

1. Federer def. Djokovic RG
2. Murray def. Djokovic Cincy
3. Del Potro def. Djokovic Davis Cup
4. Nishikori def. Djokovic Basel.

Kei is in good company right there. If he improves a little more and remains healthy, top 15 is not too far fetch. He's already beaten Berdych, Tsonga and now Djoker. If he beats Fed tomorrow, I can see cash pouring in from his part of the world. Good show Kei !

[jamesblakefan#1]

I guess this is what happens when you finally cycle of of your steroids.

TROLOLOLOLO

[AhmedD]

Originally Posted by sportsfan1

Djoker: 3 set win over Baggy y'day, no hint of injury. 3 set loss today to Kei N, and out comes the injury stuff.
I really wish the joker would suck it up and credit the opponent, instead of shrouding the whole thing with retirements and injuries. Every loss this year except for possibly FO has been surrounded by injury talk. This is what makes it hard to root for the joker. I am not saying he wasn't injured, but its the PR stuff and how it can undermine the opponents victory. Nadal has understood this and after a loss he refuses to be drawn into injury talk (See 2011 AO SF loss to Ferrer).

"The second set, he was playing great and was fighting... I have to give credit to my opponent, he was better," said Djokovic.

[Mustard]

Originally Posted by Spider

So you think Nishikori actually *beat* Djokovic? It had nothing to do with the way Djokovic played?

It's irrelevant. Once the match starts, it's survival of the fittest until a player wins a match point or a player retires.

[AhmedD]

Originally Posted by Mustard

It's irrelevant. Once the match starts, it's survival of the fittest until a player wins a match point or a player retires.

Quoted for truth.

[DarthFed]

Originally Posted by Mustard

It's irrelevant. Once the match starts, it's survival of the fittest until a player wins a match point or a player retires.

Gonna have to sig this good sir

[TennisFan3]

Originally Posted by zagor

Sure Fed's 2006 was amazing and I could definitely understand some people claiming it is on par or better than Novak's 2011 (especially if Novak doesn't win WTF) but for me personally even if Novak fails to win a match till the end of the year it's still better than even Fed's 2006.

I value all surface dominance a lot and Novak this year won a big title on everything from HC to clay and grass (yes I consider masters to be big titles as well, Novak's wins in Rome and Madrid complement very well the rest of his season), not to mention that going undefeated since AO till RG is mind boggling, again the difference isn't much, we're talking about some of the most dominant seasons ever in tennis here afteral but my pick for the best season I have seen is Novak's 2011.

Agree 100%. Excellent post.

What Djoko did this year, against quality players on different surfaces, is unprecedented..

[TennisLovaLova]

Originally Posted by TennisFan3

Agree 100%. Excellent post.

What Djoko did this year, against quality players on different surfaces, is unprecedented..

Unprecedented because of SURFACE HOMOGENEIZATION+ LOW PRESSURE BALLS+ LOW TOP 10 LEVEL

[TennisFan3]

Originally Posted by TennisLovaLova

Unprecedented because of SURFACE HOMOGENEIZATION+ LOW PRESSURE BALLS+ LOW TOP 10 LEVEL

And the top 10 level was higher during Fed's time? Did Fed beat the #2 player 6 times in a row and the #3 player 3 times out of 4?

[Clarky21]

Originally Posted by TennisFan3

Agree 100%. Excellent post.

What Djoko did this year, against quality players on different surfaces, is unprecedented..

And just who would that be? Nadal? The same declining shell of himself Nadal? The one who is a mental midget these days? Cvac has managed to win so much this year for multiple reasons,one of which is a weaker than weak field where even most of the top 10 is pathetic. I told you the other day that he has not been unbeatable since Rome and that players just need to keep the pressure on when they're playing him,and not quit while they're ahead. Nishikori did both of those things well today,and Cvac lost. He should have had many more losses this year considering how many times players have choked against him while up sets,breaks,etc...Nadal being the worst culprit of this especially in IW(where Nadal completely outplayed him through a set and half until his serve deserted him)and Miami. And let's not forget how Roger choked away a 2 set lead,and 2 match points on his own serve at the USO. Imo,Cvac never should have beaten Baggy yesterday,and wouldn't have if Baggy would have just kept his level up instead of folding the way he did.

Originally Posted by TennisFan3

And the top 10 level was higher during Fed's time? Did Fed beat the #2 player 6 times in a row and the #3 player 3 times out of 4?

I don't understand why people using this argument to support why the level of the 2011 top 10 is higher. That's the point of the lower top 10 level argument...the 2011 top 10 is not as strong, and that includes (surprise, surprise!) the #2 and #3.

Obviously they are no pushovers, and even though the former is slumping really hard and the latter has not been performing too well overall (also, Fed's now the #4 player, not #3), they are both are still pretty good this year...however, on the whole, the level of the top 10 this year is arguably not as high as that of the top 10 then.

Djokovic is also 2-1 against Murray, the actual #3, and one of his wins is against Mr. I-crumple-in-grand-slam finals (the other is a 3-setter on clay ending in a tie-break).

Also, you must account for the -entire- season. If Djokovic doesn't win a match from now until the end, clearly his season falls much, much shorter. The point of calling it the best "year" is that it's the entire year. If he completely crumbles in the end, it's a testament to his comparative lack of stamina. Fed in 2006 played and won a ridiculous number of matches. Djokovic didn't, yet he seems to be injured in his losses. Either he's finding excuses, or his body cannot hold up somehow (perhaps a mixture of both), and that's reason enough to consider Fed's 2006 greater.

Even with his record right now, I doubt his season's place in history as the best of all time. Get over yourselves. A total collapse is just an extrapolation of what is essentially happening now, if he indeed has such a bad injury. I hope he gets well and he isn't hurt too badly, but as for his season...I don't think it's the best.

[rafabull]

Originally Posted by Spider

Sad to see Novak injured. A fit Novak would eat players like Nishikori or whatever for breakfast.

Lol more excuses *********s? Kei played better today and that's that. I'm afraid poor Novak will never return to being the "son of god" XD

[bullfan]

Originally Posted by Clarky21

And just who would that be? Nadal? The same declining shell of himself Nadal? The one who is a mental midget these days? Cvac has managed to win so much this year for multiple reasons,one of which is a weaker than weak field where even most of the top 10 is pathetic. I told you the other day that he has not been unbeatable since Rome and that players just need to keep the pressure on when they're playing him,and not quit while they're ahead. Nishikori did both of those things well today,and Cvac lost. He should have had many more losses this year considering how many times players have choked against him while up sets,breaks,etc...Nadal being the worst culprit of this especially in IW(where Nadal completely outplayed him through a set and half until his serve deserted him)and Miami. And let's not forget how Roger choked away a 2 set lead,and 2 match points on his own serve at the USO. Imo,Cvac never should have beaten Baggy yesterday,and wouldn't have if Baggy would have just kept his level up instead of folding the way he did.

Very true, I was shocked that Bagdatis didn't finish out the match. Nadal was the worst, making more finals than ever, but not finishing it off except for at FO.

[Mike Sams]

Originally Posted by Clarky21

And just who would that be? Nadal? The same declining shell of himself Nadal? The one who is a mental midget these days? Cvac has managed to win so much this year for multiple reasons,one of which is a weaker than weak field where even most of the top 10 is pathetic. I told you the other day that he has not been unbeatable since Rome and that players just need to keep the pressure on when they're playing him,and not quit while they're ahead. Nishikori did both of those things well today,and Cvac lost. He should have had many more losses this year considering how many times players have choked against him while up sets,breaks,etc...Nadal being the worst culprit of this especially in IW(where Nadal completely outplayed him through a set and half until his serve deserted him)and Miami. And let's not forget how Roger choked away a 2 set lead,and 2 match points on his own serve at the USO. Imo,Cvac never should have beaten Baggy yesterday,and wouldn't have if Baggy would have just kept his level up instead of folding the way he did.

Whatever! Djokovic is the dominant #1 because he's far superior to the rest of the field, talent wise. Not because Nadal is declining or has become a heartless coward. Nadal had his time to enjoy being dominant last year when NOBODY on the tour was playing well. Now Nadal can get a taste of a real rivalry.
Djokovic blew away Federer and Murray back to back at the AO in straight sets. He crushed Nadal 6 times on all surfaces. You need a reality check mate. Djokovic is a super talented player who has stepped up his game and is the best player walking the earth by far. You can ridicule him and disrespect his competition all you like but it's the very same competition which Federer and Nadal enjoyed dominating against for years. Don't try to discredit Djokovic for doing the same thing.
As for choking, it's part of the game. It simply means you're not mentally strong enough to compete, and as everybody knows, mental strength is half the battle.

[Mike Sams]

Originally Posted by bullfan

Very true, I was shocked that Bagdatis didn't finish out the match. Nadal was the worst, making more finals than ever, but not finishing it off except for at FO.

Yeah and as many would say, a big choke from Federer as usual which allowed Nadal to lift the trophy yet again. LOL!

[Mike Sams]

Originally Posted by rafabull

Lol more excuses *********s? Kei played better today and that's that. I'm afraid poor Novak will never return to being the "son of god" XD

Yep, Kei played better today. But is he a better player than Djokovic you think based on their respective accomplishments, rafabull?

[Mike Sams]

Originally Posted by Clarky21

And just who would that be? Nadal? The same declining shell of himself Nadal? The one who is a mental midget these days? Cvac has managed to win so much this year for multiple reasons,one of which is a weaker than weak field where even most of the top 10 is pathetic. I told you the other day that he has not been unbeatable since Rome and that players just need to keep the pressure on when they're playing him,and not quit while they're ahead. Nishikori did both of those things well today,and Cvac lost. He should have had many more losses this year considering how many times players have choked against him while up sets,breaks,etc...Nadal being the worst culprit of this especially in IW(where Nadal completely outplayed him through a set and half until his serve deserted him)and Miami. And let's not forget how Roger choked away a 2 set lead,and 2 match points on his own serve at the USO. Imo,Cvac never should have beaten Baggy yesterday,and wouldn't have if Baggy would have just kept his level up instead of folding the way he did.

Were you in a coma during the Djokovic/Nadal matches in IW and Miami? LOL! Completely outplayed Djokovic until the choke? How about Djokovic raising his level and starting to give Nadal all sorts of trouble in many of those grinding rallies and forcing Nadal to go for winners and bigger serves?
As for Roger choking? That's the story of his career. LOL!
Baggy lost because he's not good enough. All this choking BS is out the door. You've never played a sport in your life it seems.