Federer-Ferrer 2011 WTF semi-finals

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Originally Posted by Spider

Irrespective of what the rankings say, Murray has had the better year this year as compared to Federer. Just look at the slam results and it becomes obvious. Pity that the rankings don't show it.

murray collected 360 more points in slams than fed did which is a very minor difference. especially considering even tho murray made 1 final +3 semis he was never even close to actually winning any of them.
even tho fed did marginally "worse" alltogether he was alot closer to win the FO or USO than murray was in any of th 4.

i wouldnt say murray had the better year after all

[abmk]

Originally Posted by Spider

If Murray wasn't injured, WTF would be a lot different this year, so we can give him the benefit of the doubt.

no, we can't, no one asked him to play the extra event in Tokyo .... Plus he's never got past the semis here at the YEC .....

Originally Posted by Spider

For the slams, F, SF, SF, SF is better than SF, F, Q, SF. Therefore Murray is better.

Like I said points wise, slightly better in slams . But not playing level wise....

[Spider]

Originally Posted by flyinghippos101

I have no doubt in my mind that Fed prides himself on screwing Murray whenever possible, it's hilarious

It was fun seeing Murray beat Federer in WTF 2008.

[abmk]

Originally Posted by Spider

It was fun seeing Murray beat Federer in WTF 2008.

yes, indeed , an amazing Pyrrhic victory for the Muzzette , LOL !

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Originally Posted by abmk

Plus he's never got past the semis here at the YEC .....

to be fair he was pretty close to getting past the semis last year tho

[Spider]

Taking nothing away from Federer, he did what he had to, and will most likely win it again tomorrow.

I just don't like this back door entry to the top. I would have hoped we had Murray, Djokovic and Nadal to challenge Federer.

[abmk]

Originally Posted by abmk

^^

yes, we all saw the slams this year. Nadal completed his career GS slam over Murray and djoker thrashed him in the Aus final

Also read post # 206 !

Originally Posted by Mainad

??? Not sure what you mean. Nadal completed his career GS when he beat Djokovic in the final of 2010 USO.

I mean he won vs Murray in all 4 slams - 2007 AO ; 2008,10,11 wimbledon, 2011 FO and 2011 USO .. Hence career GS slam over murray ....

[abmk]

Originally Posted by Spider

Taking nothing away from Federer, he did what he had to, and will most likely win it again tomorrow.

I just don't like this back door entry to the top. I would have hoped we had Murray, Djokovic and Nadal to challenge Federer.

Here, just to refresh your memory,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vvfQgOBrA4

[Spider]

Originally Posted by abmk

Here, just to refresh your memory,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vvfQgOBrA4

I saw the match, thanks. I am not saying Federer would not have beaten them, had they played, my point is, that would have been a lot more interesting than watching Federer against Ferrer and either Tsonga/Berdych.

[AM95]

Originally Posted by zagor

Nadal has been the top 2 player since 2005.

Novak has been top 3 player since 2007.

Niether of them became top players this year for the first time or something.

Furthemore Fed doesn't need anyone to be off the boil at WTF to win, he's 4-0 against Nadal in this event, even last year he fed him a breadstick in the final in Nadal's best career year to date.

BTW. Considering Nadal's recent statements and his fans criticism of his game and "lack of passion" I'd love to see a 26 year old Fed play a 26 year old Nadal.

for all intensive purposes i believe that uncle toni should bring the lube.

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Originally Posted by Spider

Taking nothing away from Federer, he did what he had to, and will most likely win it again tomorrow.

I just don't like this back door entry to the top. I would have hoped we had Murray, Djokovic and Nadal to challenge Federer.

as has been said, its not like they didnt try or didnt have the opportunity to be ready for the tournament. nadal took his longest preparational break ever prior to this event. djokovic pulled out of his last 2 tournaments to cure his shoulder issues to be ready for the tournament.

in the end they just didnt have the level needed to compete with fed once again. tough break, thats how it goes. so the whole thing is not to count unless everyone is in sublime form? by that approach nadals FO 08 thrashing fed in the final clearly doesnt count either since fed obviously wasnt at the top of his game and murray and djokovic were in horrendous form at that time

thats bollocks

[flyinghippos101]

Originally Posted by Spider

Taking nothing away from Federer

Originally Posted by Spider

Sad to see Federer go ahead of Murray. He doesn't deserve it though.

Backtracking fail

[Ico]

Originally Posted by Spider

If Murray wasn't injured, WTF would be a lot different this year, so we can give him the benefit of the doubt.

For the slams, F, SF, SF, SF is better than SF, F, Q, SF. Therefore Murray is better.

Winning one more match at a slam (none of which he had a chance of winning) does not constitute a better year, and it is no one but Murray's fault that he's in such bad condition for the 5th largest event of the year. You are either delusional or a troll. Maybe both.

[Towser83]

Originally Posted by Spider

Sad to see Federer go ahead of Murray. He doesn't deserve it though.

Murray played himself to death to try and steal the small prize of outranking Federer but played the price for trying to force his ranking and has failed to gain ground on a 30 year old father of twins. I suppose he hoped that in Federer's decline he could steal a small victory by going ahead of him, but just like his injury assisted 2 week spell ahead of Nadal at number 2, it's ended all too soon and he'll have to hope Federer further drops off next year.

Murray has won one more match in slams this year and 2 masters but Federer has the chance to add a far more important WTF to his 1 master, and he managed to at least win a set in the slam final he made it to. If he wins the WTF he will certainly deserve the number 3 spot over Murray.

[jones101]

Men lie, Women lie, Ranking's DONT!!!

Murray fans are scraping the barrel big time today.

Ok, Murray won 1 more match at GS play than Federer this year.

BUT Murray only won 1 SET in his 4 SF/F appearances this year. Lol. His run to the FO SF was the weakest in recent memory, and he still struggled.

Murray fans and Federer haters cant stomach the fact that Federer in his worst career year in almost a decade still performed better than a PRIME Murray over the season.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by flyinghippos101

Backtracking fail

I said Federer deserves the win. What I didn't appreciate is him going ahead in the rankings. How is that backtracking?

Originally Posted by Ico

Winning one more match at a slam (none of which he had a chance of winning) does not constitute a better year, and it is no one but Murray's fault that he's in such bad condition for the 5th largest event of the year. You are either delusional or a troll. Maybe both.

Murray could have done better had he been fit. That is based on the results he managed to produce this year. I mean if he can be semifinalist and finalist in all slams this year, the least you could expect from him would be a semi final appearance, which obviously didn't happen. Surely you don't think Murray played his best this tournament?

So if we look at the slams, Murray is ahead of Federer, albeit slightly. How is that being delusional?

[Towser83]

Originally Posted by Spider

If Murray wasn't injured, WTF would be a lot different this year, so we can give him the benefit of the doubt.

For the slams, F, SF, SF, SF is better than SF, F, Q, SF. Therefore Murray is better.

It's sad when people have to cling to one more match win as some sort of "proof" Murray did better. This is Murray's whole problem and you can see it in the people who support him too, clinging on to small victories and complaining of injustice when the big boys just get on and win. Federer has the chance to grab the biggest title after the slams which Murray can't match. "Oh he had one more match win!" big deal, he's going to actually answer the question and win a slam or at least one set in the final. Murray to be honest got lucky that Troicki choked against him at RG where as Federer had on fire Tsonga and Djokovic coming back against him.

Out of Federer and Murray, who actuallly won a set in the slam final they reached? Federer got closer to actually WINNING a slam than Murray did, and has a chance to end up with bigger titles. It's Murray who was off entering Tokyo and Thailand or whatever, you know trying to bolster his ranking with many smaller events. In the end it's backfired because Federer has reached the final of the 5th biggest tournament. Federer is ahead because - he has more points. That's how rankings work.

Why give Murray the benifit of the doubt? He's never even been to a final here, and if facing an in form Djokovic and Berdych, would have had a tough time even making the semis.

Originally Posted by Spider

Taking nothing away from Federer, he did what he had to, and will most likely win it again tomorrow.

I just don't like this back door entry to the top. I would have hoped we had Murray, Djokovic and Nadal to challenge Federer.

How many titles have they won because Federer wasn't at his best? Sorry if they play well and burn out late in the season then it becomes someone else's chance. In 2004-2007 Federer never had a problem with peforming from January to November.

[Ico]

Originally Posted by Spider

I said Federer deserves the win. What I didn't appreciate is him going ahead in the rankings. How is that backtracking?



Murray could have done better had he been fit. That is based on the results he managed to produce this year. I mean if he can be semifinalist and finalist in all slams this year, the least you could expect from him would be a semi final appearance, which obviously didn't happen. Surely you don't think Murray played his best this tournament?

So if we look at the slams, Murray is ahead of Federer, albeit slightly. How is that being delusional?

But Murray isn't fit and we can't overlook that when comparing years. Fitness issues have been a major characteristic of Murray's 2011 and it's why Federer deserves his #3 spot. Even at 30 years old, Roger's body is holding up better than anyone else's which allows him to play decent tennis long after other players have started to check out.

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Originally Posted by Spider

If Murray wasn't injured, WTF would be a lot different this year, so we can give him the benefit of the doubt.

For the slams, F, SF, SF, SF is better than SF, F, Q, SF. Therefore Murray is better.

1 match difference in the slams? /end of debate. Murray is far better player than Federer.

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The Djokdals appear today to be in fine trolling form today. I can only imagine what will ensue when Federer wins the tournament.